I was at mccormick the other day and saw nicky ferriola working. Complete bust out. Wasn't he the one who forfeited 9 mill to the feds.

I've seen a few different people swear he's made, sucks to be a wise guy in Chicago I guess

I wonder if the job is part of some parole agreement? If it's true, not all that surprising considering mob involvement at McCormick in recent years.


Ferriola, 33, the son of the late reputed mob boss Joseph Ferriola and the alleged godson of mobster Frank Calabrese Sr., had pleaded guilty to taking part in the conspiracy before the landmark trial last year. Prosecutors said he helped run a gambling operation and was part of an effort to extort the owner of the Connie's Pizza chain. U.S. District Judge James Zagel also ordered Ferriola to make $9 million in forfeiture payments, but said the financially ruined Ferriola would not be able to.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-09-10/news/0809090592_1_conspiracy-case-reputed-mob

[quote=IvyLeague]I wonder if the job is part of some parole agreement? If it's true, not all that surprising considering mob involvement at McCormick in recent years.


Ferriola, 33, the son of the

late reputed mob boss Joseph Ferriola and the alleged godson of mobster Frank Calabrese Sr., had pleaded guilty to taking part in the conspiracy before the landmark trial last year. Prosecutors said he helped run a gambling operation and was part of an effort to extort the owner of the Connie's Pizza chain. U.S. District Judge James Zagel also ordered Ferriola to make $9 million in forfeiture payments, but said the financially ruined Ferriola would not be able to.




They have been into mckormic forever, in the 70s frank Calabrese got nick Calabrese a job there Through the teamsters
The teamsters are the union there
Again no matter how much things change something's remain the same

Rudy Fratto was all involved with McCormick Place too.

Ferriola should no longer be on federal supervised release.

The Teamsters are probably his day job. Most lower ranking made guys and soldier/associates have regular jobs as opposed to more established gangsters with businesses.

Who knows if Ferriola is even active anymore.

The Large Guy was a trade show "carpenter" and McCormick Place too. Virtually every low to mid level Outfit guy has had a stint there.

ive been at mccormick my whole life. you dont need to tell me who has been there in the past before they got pinched. this guy is there after he got pinched. believe me, this guy is busted out. no cash

Just more proof to show that the existing Outfit isn't even a shadow of what it once was.

How? Nick f hasn't been a relevant figure in a long time. They want nothing to do with him. He was lackey to one of the biggest goofball families the Outfit has ever seen. Not surprising to see him get frozen out, he brings nothing to the table but an unwanted recognizable name & heat.

Lol @ Nick ferriola being a heavy hitter/relevant to Outfit success

He owes me two dollars !

I saw him again today. He showed up to work, but didn't get picked to work. That's the way its works at mccormick, sometimes your in, sometimes your not

You dont think theyre rackets at the largest convention center in north America combined with they're remaining teamster power combined with they're involvement in the union movement and forklifting companies and the fact they have Chicago all to themselves
Make them stronger RIGHT NOW than the Colombo and bonnano families even if they are less than half the size

Also my question to you is we have seen in ny how even though they indict mobsters civilly and are able to
Remove them from they're union positions , they still control the union because they have embedded themselves into these unions as far back as 80 years ago
How you think this isn't the case when they only removed a few mob guys from the union
And don't tell me the steir Anderson report was bs
Because when they're children and cousins etc are involved in controlling not only the union itself but also the pension fund , how that isn't control and influence for them
We can both agree, that the mob overall in the grand scheme of things(despite a few idiots) is very much into achieving an everlasting lifespan and has spent that the last 100 years embedding and weaving itself into the fabric of society
Like with matassa he's a mobster and anything he touches is corrupted because of his station in life and who he represents
I think we have seen wiseguys in Chicago be much more low key
And that the made members of the family are pretty hands off as far as them personally doing everyday violence. We have seen just roughly a month ago Solly Delaurentis, a confirmed member of the Chicago cosa nostra , his partner pay 10k to Peter carparelli to have his crew deliver a beating and break the legs of someone who owed a gambling debt. This dosent suggest a kindle gentler mob, it suggest where unlike in ny where made guys beat up gamblers personally , in Chicago they contract an out and the fact that they can pay 10k for a beating shows the financial robustness of the Chicago mob

To quote peter carparelli "be discreet so they think were dead, let them think they did thyre job , so they go have a beer, high five each other"
Carparelli isn't just coming up with this way of doing business itself
It's the way of the Chicago mob, it's the way his superiors tell him to operate
Its like being a detective you obviously reasonably infer from the evidence and statements that thyre is a lot more going on than we're privy too, that's not public information.
This notion that mob blackballs
Gamblers rather than beat them has proven to be false

more Italians have city of Chicago jobs than actually live in the city

I guess they get those jobs because the Italians have no clout in chicago

? That's makes no sense cookcounty

No, Nick ferriola is not made. Nor will he ever be made.

Why was he rejected by the outfit? He did his time and proved he wouldnt talk. It's not his fault he was associated with kookoo Calabrese. Why does he have a rep as a goof?

He isn't considered a goof, however he is associated with goofs (the calabrese family). He was never a real gangster to begin with, he was born into It. He's useless to the Outfit at this point.

A "goof" implies someone is a dolt of no consequence. When you have someone do your dirty work for 30 years, they flip and send everyone to prison for the rest of their lives, the dismissiveness rings hollow.

It's like the CEO of a car company calling the engineers he himself hired who have ruined the company "goofs."

Uh, no, you're the goof for hiring them.

Hes a convicted felon
He's not gonna be able to get a job
Unless like this one it's arranged by the outfit
Once he got a felony conviction, his life in the mob began in earnest

Even if the Outfit had the level of influence at McCormick or with the Teamsters Union you wish they still did - and they don't - that alone wouldn't necessarily make them more powerful than the Colombos or Bonannos.

McCormick? There's obviously some involvement there. Rudy Fratto and his bid-rigging case. William Daddano Jr. Nick Ferriola working there (if you even want to count that). But you talk as if they run the place the way the mob ran the Javits Center in NY years ago.

Teamsters Union? When was the last Outfit/Teamsters indictment in Chicago? It's been years. There was the Stier report, now over a decade old, that resulted in no charges and showed basically residual influence at this point.



Sometimes the mob influence remains. Other times it's gone. Sometimes it's removed but creeps back in. There's much more evidence of lingering mob influence in New York because we've seen the cases to prove it. Not so in Chicago, which is why you have to resort to going on pure theory and conjecture.

And I never said the Stier report was BS. I said that, if you read it, what it shows is residual influence. And nothing that ever resulted in any indictments. But if you want to believe the Outfit still has the Teamsters Union under it's thumb in Chicago, louie, go ahead.



I'm not sure what your point is in this rambling mess above. But I have a question, louie. It wasn't long ago that you used to argue over on the other forum that the Outfit wasn't nearly as strong as many people thought. It was the thread where you quoted one Chicago mobster talking about "loans being down" and you argued there were only two FBI agents tracking the Outfit at that point. Remember that? More recently, Pogo asked you why you did the total 180 in your position. You never were able to answer him.

I don't know about Chicago but in ny once the government gets a hint of any oc involvement they come in and put the union in trusteeship they basically run the pension and welfare funds through a management company. And if they think a member or find out if a member has any mob affiliation they can be barred for life after an investigation.

True about the trusteeship but they still finds away around that

NY construction unions still have alot of LCN influence

NY LCN has done a good job of generating income from construction and their unions . It's still a cash cow and truth be told although many workers get screwed the contractors still value the benefits they provide

Construction / unions and NJ garbage/ recycling/ tranfer stations is probably the reason the NY families are still viable. These industries kick off millions with more millions generated from ancillary services to these industries .

I'd be curious to see how the lending biz is doing these days, I know it's still big in the restaurant and bar industries but always wonder how big a book these guys have , got to think the credit crisis helped them out to some extent .

To me online gambling is still genovese and luchesse but in sure other fams doing well too

High end marajuana they probably all have their hands in , good biz there

How do they find a way around a trusteeship. And like I said if they suspect any involment or a union member even knowing a member of oc your done I'm talking about teamsters pension and welfare that is where the big money is dont have access then you don't control the unions.

Some examples of that can be found in the link below, The RICO Trusteeships after Twenty Years: A Progress Report. It goes over various locals that were put under trusteeship in the past and whether that was successful or not. And if not, why that was. Some of the ones that were unsuccessful included:

LIUNA Local 6A
IBT Local 295
New York District Council of Carpenters
ILA Local 1588
ILA Local 1814

http://www.ipsn.org/rico_trusteeships_jacobs.htm


Another recent example is IBT Local 282 where, despite clean up and reform in the union itself, there wasn't the same oversight of the benefit funds and the mob was able to exploit that.

That carpenter union I don't see every being LCN free

I have a few friends that are in that union and the black caddys are plentiful

Plenty of ways around the trustee when you have influence over the president and stewards. In a few cases LCN has even had the trustee replaced with someone more friendly.

Frankly many contractors rely on LCN to smooth out the process and help with bids. i wouldn't be surprised if LCN connected contractors get $250M+ annualy in construction projects and probably much more.

First off in the last 5 years the fortunes of the Colombo and bonnano families have changed drastically where as in Chicago since the family secrets arrest in 2005, which was 8 years ago. The only major guy since then to go to jail for them was sarno and Rudy fratto. So there you only have 2 made guys since April of 2005 for the Chicago LCN that have been incarcerated.
In comparison for the Colombos , during that same time frame.
You have had Andrew Russo and Anthony Russo the capo, Joseph savarese, Benjamin Castellazo, Richard Fusco, Teddy Persico, John Franzese,Machael Capatano, Ralph Deleo, Thomas Gioeli,Dino Calabro,Ralph Scopo Jr,Joseph Carna, Dennis Delucia,Ray Maragni,Emanuel favuzza, Vinny Febrarao, Nicky Rizzo,Joseph Compatiello,Frank Campione, Michael Uvino and Dino Saracino, thomas Petrizzo, Michael Persico, Paul Bevaqua, Craig Marino.
That's 27 made members.
For the Bonnanos
Anthony Rabito, Nicholas Santora, Vito Badamo, Anthony Calabrese, Michael Mancuso, Dominick Cicale. Pj Pisciotti,Anthony Indelicato, Anthony Graziano, Vincent Badalamenti,Joseph Sammartino, Joseph Chile, Frank Pastore, Ernest Aiello,Michael Virtuoso, Ace Aiello,Anthony Scalfani,Jodeph Loaicono,Anthony Pipitone,Paul Spina,Jerome Asaro,Joseph Cammarano Jr, Louis Decicco,Jack Bovenentre,Michael Cassese,Vito Balsamo,Anthony Mannone,Vincent Armante, Michael Uroiucoli,
That's 29 members

# of incarcerated members since May 2005, post FS arrests
1.Bonnano LCN-29 Members
2.Colombo LCN-27 Members
3.Chicago LCN-2 Members

Just a hint of their power in the unions today is contained below.
This is just from a few minutes of investigating. This is just the tip of the iceberg

Union Officials Influenced and Controlled by the Mob in the Teamsters Currently
1.James Glimco-Local 777 IBT President and Trustee of Joint Council 25 of the IBT
Son of Former Outfit Capo Joey Glimco.
2.John Coli- President of Joint Council 25 IBT and Secratary Treasure of Local 727 and Member of Teamster National Executive Board and Vice President of Central Region IBT. Son of former Chicago LCN Soldier James Coli.
3. Dominick Romanazzi-President IBT Local 330. Confirmed Chicago LCN Associate by The FBI and the Chicago Crime Comission.
4.James M Hogan- President Local 714 IBT. Confirmed associate of the Chicago LCN by the FBI an the Chicago Crime Commission. Uncle of Mob associates James Hogan Jr and Brother of James Hogan Sr.


Thats 4 different current Teamster union presidents. The President and Trustee of Joint Council 25 which oversees the pension fund of 28 combined Teamster locals and which represent more than 115,000 workers. Last but not least the Vice President of the Central Region of The United States for The Teamsters and a member of The National Executive Board.

The investigation in 2004 and also 2009 both times were stopped by and shut down by James P Hoffa, the son of one of the most Notoriously currupt mobbed up union leaders in history. They probably told Hoffa remember your father

So? By your logic, the LA family would be stronger since it had 0 members imprisoned since that time. More Colombo and Bonanno members have been indicted because they have far more members and are far more active than the Outfit. It's that simple.



This isn't exactly news. These guys were mentioned in the Stier report, along with other family members of Outfit guys in certain union positions. There were many allegations in the report but not much, if anything, that actually resulted in any indictments. The reason for some of this could be explained in how Howard Abadinsky described the Outfit's labor racketeering activities in the 2000 article Mob Lite. But not enough to explain away the relative lack of Outfit/union cases in recent years. It may very well be more an example of the children of past gangsters working in the legit world. Benefiting from who they're related to, certainly, but not necessarily acting in the Outfit's interests or being involved in Outfit business.

To answer your first part are you actually saying, you who claims to have knowledge of the mob, actually saying that comparing Chicago to the bonnano or Colombo families is equivalent to comparing LA to Chicago.
Your outta your mind

2nd question I quest your saying they control the teamsters????
James glimco and John coli!! You can't even get more mobbed up
Thyre people in place is the same way they had thyre people in place 30 years ago
It uses to be Glimco Sr now it's Glimco Jr
It used to be Coli Sr and now it's Coli Jr
Are these guys like sal gigante and Ralph gigante fyfe?????
How do u think the mob controls things through relatives, people they can reach and influence
You claim to be an expert on the mob but you don't know this???
Are you saying theyre not mobbed up

I mean your outta your mind, your terribly naive

Allow me to quote Salvatore Santora speaking to Sal Avellino

"we control the unions by puttting our sons, our nephews in. Any fucking body, dosent fuming matter as long as its our People, our blood"