What a bunch of morons. Some things don't change.

Swastikas, Slurs and Torment in Town's Schools

There is a very strong Hasidic presence in Kiryas Joel and it has caused some major problems in Orange County. KJ, as it is called, is extremely isolated from its neighbors, and they exclude outsiders. This has caused a great deal of hard feelings that have spilled over into neighboring communities.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to make excuses, just give some background and context.

I guess racism isn't just in the south. Even in New York, although it's upstate New York. This is beyond appalling

Don't kid yourselves about the south. There are as many rednecks up north as there are down here

That's horrible. Until recent years, I really thought we had come a long way, as a country, but sadly, we haven't. Hate springs eternal in some people



TIS

Hate has been here since the beginning of time, Tis. We will never live in the idealistic and utopian society that we dreamed of when we're younger.

The older I get, the more I see how naïve we were back then. All you can do is change yourself for the better. You can't change other people, and I've come to the conclusion that it's futile to even try.

Pine Bush people typify NY rednecks. The area is just south of the Catskill resorts of the 1950s (Dirty Dancing locale). Then it became summer camps/resort for Hasidic Jews from Brooklyn. The Pine Bushers didn't like to see that. It just goes to show you prejudice knows no geography. Ignorance, hatred, racism, predjudice can spring up anywhere

While I DO NOT agree with this anti-semitic behavior I can understand where it comes from and how people get this way.

I introduced myself in another thread "New guy from florida..." I'm not sure if I made it clear but I have been a full time musician for over 30 years. At least 10 of those spent playing Chassidic Weddings and Bar (Bat)-Mitzvah's.

For as much time as I've spent around the Chassidic people I've have yet to make one friend. Not even another musician friend who is Chassidic. They regularly employ non Jewish musicians all the time, but you can never get close to them. They are a very tight knit group of people who only hang with their own kind. They never go outside the group (especially non religious pork eating Jews) They would rather hang with me (an Italian) than another Jew who doesn't keep Kosher or observe Shabbat (no work or driving on Saturday)

I lived in Hollywood Hills Fl for years. It was a residential area not zoned commercial. A group of Chassidic Jews bought two houses, one right next to the other on a residential street. They joined the houses together and created an official Chabad (church).

This caused the people in that area much grief. Even though they can't drive on Saturday there were always tons of cars parked up on the lawns etc. The had a Jewish day care running there during the week.

Now all of a sudden you 'd start to see more and more walking to Temple on Saturday, and at Sukkot (one of their holidays) you'd start to see more and more of these little "huts" they put up to celebrate in.

Many of the people in the area came around with petitions trying to get the Church out. I refused to sign, my exact words were "Whens the last time you saw a Chassid selling crack or jacking a car".

The City of Hollywood tried to get them out and naturally they cried "Anti Semitisim".

Anyway....very long story short...The City won the lawsuit, they were all ready to be kicked out for being in a residential area, when idiot commissioner Sal Oliveri (who lived right near there) said something to the order of "The City of Hollywood always upholds Christian principles" well you don't mess with the Chassidic people. They got their lawyers and took that one statement and sued the City of Hollywood AND THEY WON. Not only did they get to keep their church there but the city also had to pay them 2 million in damages.

So while I personally have no problem with them, I can see where some would. Here's a good example.....If a very religious family moves next door to you there is no way their kids are going to play with yours. Depending on the different groups within the Chassidic community some still have arranged marriages. In certain areas of Israel they will flip your car over for driving on Saturday.

That's my 2 cents.

Salvi

Salvi62 does raise some valid points. I am Jewish and can verify some of the things he describes. I have a lot of problem with Chassidic Jews especially when one told me I wasn't Jewish because my mother hadn't converted to their standards.

But, does this John Barker tool at the top have the same feelings or is he just seeing Jewish and not the sect?

Race hatred is everywhere. There is a big thing here in the UK at the moment about Roma migrants coming here now that Eastern European countries are in the EU. For some reason a huge amount of these Roma's have settled in Sheffield in Yorkshire(the city where The Full Monty was set)and they have clashed badly with the Pakistani population already in the city. Doomsday seers are predicting riots and violence, especially if the Pakistanis move out of the areas they currently live in into others, where all the Poles live. Confused.com??? I can't keep up with who hates who and who claims to be better than everyone else and who has the best God etc, etc.

I like to think I am a decent member of my race, the human race, as somebody more famous than me once said!!