Hairy, got it...I do not have any of those although Roemer did believe Joe was still in the rackets....I know I know....it's Roemer

So none of us might know certain people that know certain people? We are all like you huh? Hairy is a very good researcher. We both are and we're having an intelligent debate.

gemini twins were never made with the gambinos. Only Demeo was made

Feds also tried to nail tony accardo and meyer lansky but couldnt. Does that mean they eerent involved in criminal activities?

Also, Anthony Senter couldn't be made, not 100% Italian and not Gotti's son.

And that´s what this is all about. Having a debate. Having a discussion. It is at least to me. Hopefully, we can feed off eachother. In comparison to many other posters, not only on this forum but other mob forums as well, I´m not an expert and I´m not a great researcher. Far from it. But I have an interest to learn more, an urge to dig deeper. I´m not satisfied with the usual stuff found on the internet written about the Mafia, especially the bullshit that´s being regurgitated over time and time again. I find it refreshing questioning bullshit stuff that doesn´t hold water or is based on no merit. In my opinion, nobody should be satisfied with that kind of stuff.

I couldn't agree more pal

I don't know why people always say this but it's wrong. Anthony Senter is Italian and he is a made member of the lucchese family

Not at all HK, you are a great researcher. All the best say that they aren't. Kind of like Elvis saying he was not a great singer. LOL!

It was stated by Montiglio in Murder Machine, what's your source that says otherwise? Not trying to be a smart-ass, i've never heard anything disputing this.

Its pretty much common knowledge that anthony senter and joey testa were made into the luchese family after demeo was killed.

Great list Stern. Joe Bonanno and those that remained with him were not involved with LCN after 1968, but were still involved with rackets and other crimes till the mid 1990's. If Bonanno had gotten back into to LCN, then he would have been killed. He was allowed to retire as long as he did not interfere with the other mob families. He still remained friendly with some of the bosses, such as Joe Cerrito of San Jose, Joe Zerilli of Detroit, The Smaldones of Colorado and a few others.

My source is Al D'Arco in his book he attended the ceremony where the Gemini twins were made into the lucchese family as was his son Joseph

No matter how you cut and slice it, no matter what you name it, (in this case you call it rackets), Bonanno being involved with crime after that peace agreement in 1968 would have gotten him killed. LCN or not LCN. GV, I like your posts. I haven´t had the opportunity to officially welcome you to this forum earlier but I´ll do it now. Welcome aboard! But let´s stop this bullshit of Bonanno being involved with rackets way after 1968, before yet another poster steps in, escalating the bullshit by claiming Bonanno was involved way into the 00s.

Yes. And let´s keep in mind that Montiglio was not involved with organized crime after he gave testimony in the Gaggi trial. So he would not have any knowledge of Senter and Testa being made (later in 1988).

I never heard of testa or senter being made guys in the lucchese family , I thought they were associates of the gambino's . I know that patty Testa was a lucchese soldier

I know they got the demeo contract from casso and gravitated towards the lucchese family after demeo's death but I'm not sure they were made into the family

Read SonnyL´s post above.

In the interest of debate, what sources are there that say Joe B had nothing to do with any type of activity after 68? Almost every author, and Joe Pistone said otherwise so what sources say different.

Even in The Weasel's bio he mentions Funzi Teirri telling him to stay away from Bonanno, and Bonanno was caught with a note descbribing the hit on Frank Bompensiero with the type of gun used etc, and why was Bonanno trying to buy Car Dealerships in CA that led to the obstruction of justice charge? See Lou Peters...thanks

I can´t provide you with any sources. What do you expect...LE officials denying Bonanno being involved with crime?

To me it´s common sense. If you know what the Mafia is all about (and I´m not talking about making money) then you´ll also know that the agreement worked out in 1968 was binding. Bonanno and his loyalists who remained with the Bonanno Family in NY had very much to lose if he´d decided to get back in. He was out. He gave interviews and appeared on 60 minutes. He wrote a book. No crime boss of Bonanno´s stature would have done that, while still in the game. It´s unheard of.

ok but you are talking about the 80's, he left NY in 68

No. I´m talking about the 1970s too. Bonanno gave interviews in the 1970s. Wrote a book in 1982. Was on 60 Minutes in 1983.

If you take a look at the chart posted above, it says Bonanno retired in 1989. And then a poster said he retired in the 1990s.

Yes, I also read this in D'Arco's book. Part of my confusion came from Philip Carlo's book, Gaspipe. In that book, it was mentioned that Testa would be made, but Senter could not due to not being 100% Italian. This was proven wrong as both were made within the Lucchese family.

In addition, I'm sure Gotti Jr was made, wasn't he?

Yeah Junior Gotti was made on Christmas Eve and Gravano conducted the ceremony, that's what Michael "Mikey Scars" Dileonardo testified