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Re: Michael - A tragic family hero or a villain
[Re: Trilogy]
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12/10/13 03:24 PM
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To me, the question is something of a false dichotomy. One of the fundamentally fascinating aspects of the entire Godfather saga is its moral complexity, how it juxtaposes the demands of environment and circumstance vs. personal character, and how it challenges the reader and/or viewer to put himself in the place of any of the characters, then answer truthfully: "How would I have behaved had it been me in that character's place?"
One of the most illustrative examples is the case of young Vito, growing up as he did in the Mafia-infested culture of late 19th Century Sicily, having experienced the trauma of the murder of his entire family at the hands of the local don, only to be whisked away across the ocean to a new land where he would quickly need to fend for himself.
Even as an honest young man in New York, his fate and his fortune were still being constrained and co-opted by the Black Hand. He finally began to thrive only once he took matters into his own hands, and began to play rough himself.
Vito's entire life up until that point had been one in which might makes right, only the predatory survive, and whatever you want in life, you must be prepared to take it away from whoever is keeping it from you. He never knew any other kind of life. Is it really any wonder that he became the person he ultimately became?
"A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns."
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Re: Michael - A tragic family hero or a villain
[Re: Trilogy]
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12/10/13 03:50 PM
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U both make good point ,but one forget Vito did what he did to survive Michael did not have to do it the family was well off by the time the family was under attack.To me he is both a hero and villain.
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.
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Re: Michael - A tragic family hero or a villain
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12/11/13 12:55 AM
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There are a couple things that set Michael apart from Vito. If I HAD to choose one to be "more evil" than the other it would have to be Michael. Here is why: Michael CHOSE to serve in the war and not go straight to college. Besides the one murder we saw Vito commit (the one where he slit the throat of the Don who killed his parents in Sicily in GFII) Vito did not seek out violence and vengeance, he merely provided structure and backbone/support for those Italians in New York who were being bullied by the blackhand. Michael wanted to fight in the war, meaning he had a subconscious or conscious lust to learn how to kill. Vito wanted to pull strings to keep all his sons out of the draft and Michael willingly challenged that. Second thing that made Michael more likely to be a villain/more ruthless would be losing his first wife. It shows in a deleted scene he sought vengeance in her death, he had his body guard who planted the bomb in Sicily murdered the second he found him working at a pizza place in the states... so he was one to seek revenge, similar to how planned and executed the hits on the The Turk and the police Captain. I still think Michael took the punch in the face a little personal. Also it seems like he may have handled the casino licensing issue with the senator a bit TOO harshly.. meaning he didn't necessarily have to pay the high price the senator demanded, but Michael didn't even want to pay the 20,000 standard fee AND he had the prostitute killed to make the senator even more desperate and compliant to Michael's every say. So it seems to be that perhaps Michael craved an Empire and power more than he craved financial stability and safety for Kay and his kids. However, I do think the death of his first wife is something that changed him, if she would have never been killed and they would have returned to the states together, safely, I think Michael would have chosen a different life path.. one that was more family and work oriented.
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Re: Michael - A tragic family hero or a villain
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12/12/13 02:23 AM
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I don't hate Vito or Michael. And I don't condemn them as purely evil, despite the evil things each of them had done. I even have a certain degree of sympathy for them, as I would for anyone caught up in such a life as that - notwithstanding their own choices, and their own complicity in their suffering, and the suffering of those around them.
I don't think that being a tragic figure and being a villain are necessarily mutually exclusive states. On the contrary, as it is the wicked who ultimately suffer the most, it could be argued that a life of villainy is the ultimate tragedy.
The entire Godfather story bears this out in vivid detail, as we see - bit by bit - the ways in which maintaining, protecting & expanding a criminal enterprise eats away at all that is good and wholesome, i.e. love, trust, innocence, compassion, forgiveness...even one's very family and all whom one holds dear. We see the specific ways in which such criminal activities are basically incompatible with those good things - and how, if persistently pursued, they will ultimately consume them and destroy them.
Kay got it right during the D.C. hotel scene, when she stated: "Oh, Michael! You are blind!" Because Michael had become blind. And desensitized. And cold. And hateful. And what is that, if not tragic?
"A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns."
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Re: Michael - A tragic family hero or a villain
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12/15/13 12:10 PM
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