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Re: Did Ricca Really Banned Drugs?
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Those bans are a joke and fairy tale, if a boss says "no dope" that just means he's already doing it and a select few are handling it, nothing more.
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Re: Did Ricca Really Banned Drugs?
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And today, their involvement in the drug trade is virtually non-existent. Is it true when DiFronzo took one of the top spots that he supported the drug biz?
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
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Re: Did Ricca Really Banned Drugs?
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Machine gun jack mcgurn was killed because he sold drugs There was no ban on drugs during Capone's reign and McGurn was killed during Capone's reign. He was directly sponsored by Capone and not well liked by Nitti or Ricca. McGurn was on the outs with the power base and had sunken into alcoholism and taken to bragging. Everyone was going to jail all of a sudden and Jake was talking. Too much knowledge for too lowly a player minus Al Capone's presence. Any boss, Ricca is no exception who makes or has made "the statement" has done so for Government and public ears. If it's illegal it's mobbed, period. That's what they do, hello!?! Luciano's entire career was based on drugs, opium, cocaine then Heroin. Anyone assigning some sort of honor to these people concerning dealing drugs or buying into the "ban" in ANY way are sadly mistaken other than of course the mob boss in question wanting to keep it and the money to himself. Whether you have the street crews doing it direct anymore or whether you're bringing in the big uncut load for someone else to sell or whether you're charging a street tax and providing protection... YOU'RE INVOLVED IN DRUGS.
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Re: Did Ricca Really Banned Drugs?
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And today, their involvement in the drug trade is virtually non-existent. Is it true when DiFronzo took one of the top spots that he supported the drug biz? His brother Peter was in the weed biz so lets say yes.
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.
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Re: Did Ricca Really Banned Drugs?
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When Giancana was in Mexico, I always figured that part of his racket was drug related.
And he was clipped, in part, for not kicking up a percentage. If true, then the Outfit was knowingly involved with drugs.
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Re: Did Ricca Really Banned Drugs?
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Machine gun jack mcgurn was killed because he sold drugs There was no ban on drugs during Capone's reign and McGurn was killed during Capone's reign. He was directly sponsored by Capone and not well liked by Nitti or Ricca. McGurn was on the outs with the power base and had sunken into alcoholism and taken to bragging. Everyone was going to jail all of a sudden and Jake was talking. Too much knowledge for too lowly a player minus Al Capone's presence. Any boss, Ricca is no exception who makes or has made "the statement" has done so for Government and public ears. If it's illegal it's mobbed, period. That's what they do, hello!?! Luciano's entire career was based on drugs, opium, cocaine then Heroin. Anyone assigning some sort of honor to these people concerning dealing drugs or buying into the "ban" in ANY way are sadly mistaken other than of course the mob boss in question wanting to keep it and the money to himself. Whether you have the street crews doing it direct anymore or whether you're bringing in the big uncut load for someone else to sell or whether you're charging a street tax and providing protection... YOU'RE INVOLVED IN DRUGS. This is all correct 100%
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The rule "Deal Drug and Die" is a legend.
In his book, Joseph Pistone, explaining the history of Casso, that after a drug deal had half buried a man, and when he saw that he was still alive had finished him breaking his head with the shovel; saying that'' we the bosses, accept the money derived from the drug, but when you get sentenced to terms too harsh, we make kill you".
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Re: Did Ricca Really Banned Drugs?
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Ralph Pierce continued recruiting black lieutenants for drug selling purposes CONTINUING the work Murray Humphreys started, Jimmy Emery (as sited earlier) was under indictment by the Italian government for heroin trafficking... all under Ricca and Accardo.
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Re: Did Ricca Really Banned Drugs?
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Machine gun jack mcgurn was killed because he sold drugs Ive also heard about that but theres another story(dont know if its true) that in 1935 McGurn approached Ricca with the idea of approaching Lucky Luciano to back them in a international drug smuggling ring.McGurn knew about Ricca's good working relationship with Luciano and Lansky.Frank Nitti was the "boss" back than but Ricca was the rising star.But in 1936 McGurn was dead and Luciano went to jail.
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As I stated before Ricca sent Emery to the boot to set things up and I would imagine pay tribute both literal and figurative to Luciano and ended up getting indicted.
Drug ban's were NOT an issue in McGurn's time of activity and never were. Bans are Public Relations and nothing else.
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Al capone did ban his guys from selling drugs he said so in an interview, mcgurn got killed while capone was in jail for taxes, tony accardo sponsored mcgurn, nitti and ricca warned mcgurn about selling drugs but he did'nt listen
"McGurn likes you, so I make you. So you are now one of us, if you fuck up, we take it out on McGurn. He is your sponsor. Fuck up, it's his ass. You work in his crew, he is your capo."
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^^^^^
Like I said PR. Obviously it worked. In this country perception is EVERYTHING when dealing with the public. Make a statement true or false and if someone writes it down somehow it magically becomes true.
"I used to think all that stuff in the history books was true but I just went in there and lied and made history." ~ Santo Trafficante after testifying about mob efforts to kill Castro.
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Re: Did Ricca Really Banned Drugs?
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Ive also heard about that but theres another story(dont know if its true) that in 1935 McGurn approached Ricca with the idea of approaching Lucky Luciano to back them in a international drug smuggling ring.McGurn knew about Ricca's good working relationship with Luciano and Lansky.Frank Nitti was the "boss" back than but Ricca was the rising star.But in 1936 McGurn was dead and Luciano went to jail.
I know that the thread topic involves Ricca. But is accepted that Nitti was actively involved with narcotics? I read that Luciano and Nitti nearly had a war over who had access to the lucrative narcotics market in Hollywood/LA. And that Lucky made an attempt on Nitti's life over that territory. I'm not 100% sure of the source, but I believe it was from the Johnny Roselli bio, All American Mafioso.
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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