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Re: New & Strong Cleveland
[Re: azguy]
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01/14/14 11:50 AM
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strococs
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The gambinos are alive and well in Cleveland. Carmine agnello is out there on the DL Really, wow, this is a huge development, I'm shocked Agnello is out there. Is he in the scrap/junk yard business again..?? He has been in the area for years . He runs A auto parts shop from junked cars and A towing outfit . He may be on supervised release still. At least he was 2 years ago. He is tight with some Cleveland guys from his stint in federal prison.
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Re: New & Strong Cleveland
[Re: Spadine]
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01/14/14 12:51 PM
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As I have been explaining on these threads talking about "dead familes", the power and even existance of family structures ebs and flows. I can recall in the 90s the FBI and media declaring the Gambino family dead, The Buffalo media on one hand claims the Arm is all but dead, and then in the same paper reports their activity. Any given time in an LCNs history is a snapshop.For every indictment, conviction or death there are in most places, guys who have been waiting for their turn and oppertunity.
Been there and done it I am very much for real, so if you ask, make sure you really want to know.
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Re: New & Strong Cleveland
[Re: TheArm]
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01/14/14 01:00 PM
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pizzaboy
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I don't usually post much in threads about the families outside of New York, and even more specifically, the Bronx crews. I don't know what's going on in Cleveland. And to be perfectly honest, I don't really care. If you guys say that there's still a strong LCN presence there, more power to you. Whatever floats your boat. But as far as Carmine Agnello goes, I can assure you that he was cut loose from the Gambinos years ago, and he's not there to oversee anything for that family.
It's probably true that he met some Cleveland guys in federal lockup. Criminals meet other criminals while in prison. That's an undisputable fact. But if he's doing anything with them in Ohio, it's independent of the Gambinos. He's a leper in that family.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: New & Strong Cleveland
[Re: pizzaboy]
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01/14/14 01:27 PM
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strococs
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I don't usually post much in threads about the families outside of New York, and even more specifically, the Bronx crews. I don't know what's going on in Cleveland. And to be perfectly honest, I don't really care. If you guys say that there's still a strong LCN presence there, more power to you. Whatever floats your boat. But as far as Carmine Agnello goes, I can assure you that he was cut loose from the Gambinos years ago, and he's not there to oversee anything for that family.
It's probably true that he met some Cleveland guys in federal lockup. Criminals meet other criminals while in prison. That's an undisputable fact. But if he's doing anything with them in Ohio, it's independent of the Gambinos. He's a leper in that family. Never said he was doing anything with anyone. He definitely is tight with a guys he did time with. With all of them being on supervised release they cant even meet up with out risking a violation. There is zero chance he is running Cleveland or there to rebuild . There is barely anything if anything left to run.
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Re: New & Strong Cleveland
[Re: strococs]
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01/14/14 02:09 PM
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pizzaboy
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I don't usually post much in threads about the families outside of New York, and even more specifically, the Bronx crews. I don't know what's going on in Cleveland. And to be perfectly honest, I don't really care. If you guys say that there's still a strong LCN presence there, more power to you. Whatever floats your boat. But as far as Carmine Agnello goes, I can assure you that he was cut loose from the Gambinos years ago, and he's not there to oversee anything for that family.
It's probably true that he met some Cleveland guys in federal lockup. Criminals meet other criminals while in prison. That's an undisputable fact. But if he's doing anything with them in Ohio, it's independent of the Gambinos. He's a leper in that family. Never said he was doing anything with anyone. He definitely is tight with a guys he did time with. With all of them being on supervised release they cant even meet up with out risking a violation. There is zero chance he is running Cleveland or there to rebuild . There is barely anything if anything left to run. I wasn't addressing you specifically, Strococs. And I agree with you  . It's just that, well, you've been here awhile now, and you know how these boards can be. Pretty soon, some 19 year old kid will post that, "You KNOW that Agnello moved there for a reason, and blah blah blah."  I was just trying to kill such speculative nonsense before it started. Because as far as Agnello goes, I don't even like the guy. But he did his time, he got cut loose from the Gambinos, and now he's starting over. Granted, he's staring over with a very wealthy wife, which makes it a lot easier. But I'm sure that he'd like to leave New York in the rear view mirror, and it's honestly not fair to just assume that he's still committing crimes.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: New & Strong Cleveland
[Re: pizzaboy]
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01/14/14 03:08 PM
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strococs
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I wasn't addressing you specifically, Strococs. And I agree with you  . It's just that, well, you've been here awhile now, and you know how these boards can be. Pretty soon, some 19 year old kid will post that, "You KNOW that Agnello moved there for a reason, and blah blah blah."  I was just trying to kill such speculative nonsense before it started. Because as far as Agnello goes, I don't even like the guy. But he did his time, he got cut loose from the Gambinos, and now he's starting over. Granted, he's staring over with a very wealthy wife, which makes it a lot easier. But I'm sure that he'd like to leave New York in the rear view mirror, and it's honestly not fair to just assume that he's still committing crimes. [/quote] No big deal just wanted to clarify that I was in agreement with you. Outside of the normal corner cutting ALL wrecking yards do I bet he is fairly clean.
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Re: New & Strong Cleveland
[Re: IvyLeague]
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01/14/14 06:19 PM
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pizzaboy
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Why some people on these forums have such a hard time letting go (for lack of a better word) of these families that are no more, I'll never understand. I think the term "letting go" implies that they actually lived through it. I honestly think it's more of a case where kids are pissed off that they were born too late and missed out on something, so they're constantly asking about the mob "making a comeback." Because when these people get outed on these sites (and they always get outed), they usually turn out to be kids. And as far as grown ass men who can't let go? I'm not a psychiatrist. All I know is, the Internet has spawned a whole new breed of crazies.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: New & Strong Cleveland
[Re: pizzaboy]
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01/14/14 07:22 PM
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Friend_of_Henry
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Why some people on these forums have such a hard time letting go (for lack of a better word) of these families that are no more, I'll never understand. I think the term "letting go" implies that they actually lived through it. I honestly think it's more of a case where kids are pissed off that they were born too late and missed out on something, so they're constantly asking about the mob "making a comeback." Because when these people get outed on these sites (and they always get outed), they usually turn out to be kids. And as far as grown ass men who can't let go? I'm not a psychiatrist. All I know is, the Internet has spawned a whole new breed of crazies. Plus 1, 2 & 3 - Friend_of_ Henry.
"Never walk in a room that you don't know how to get out of"- Henry Zottola
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Re: New & Strong Cleveland
[Re: Spadine]
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01/14/14 11:31 PM
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FrankMazola
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theres alot of money here & open . You're right. A rust belt city is a great place to be a bookie. That's why I'm sure there's more than enough INDEPENDANT bookies. Maybe even a couple of groups of bookies. But the remnants of Cleveland LCN are too assimilated to reach out to NY families who have more than enough on their plate holding on to the rackets in the tri-state to even think about sending guys out to Cleveland to try and organize.
F. Mazola, Esq.
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Re: New & Strong Cleveland
[Re: Spadine]
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01/15/14 12:06 AM
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You think hes shelved or here for a reason ?Make sense to have a presence here,in a weakened area.But ties with Chicago through Fratto & Old man Janecce(tight with) DiFonzio)who was locked up w/ RJP, might make sense also Rumor has it somethings bout to jump shortly you know your shit whoever you are..its JANNECE though
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Re: New & Strong Cleveland
[Re: Spadine]
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01/15/14 11:28 AM
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JCB1977
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While RJ and Loose were newly made guys in the mid 1980's, they got in when the decimation was beginning. Jack Licavoli never should have been boss. Maishe Rockman had too much power and influence and the family should have went to Angelo Lonardo or somebody younger (any thoughts on who was most capable). The problem that I saw with the group of guys in Cleveland were that so many of them were street guys with muscle, not enough racketeers. Even in Pittsburgh, when Mike Genovese took over, he had Chucky Porter, Henry Zottola and Joey Naples/Lenny Strollo from Youngstown who he counted on to nurture and sustain the relationships with other crime families. I mean, Porter kept close relationships with Joey Aiuppa and Joe Ferriola in Chicago as well as Nicky Scarfo in Philly, Henry Zottola was very close to the Northeastern PA branch through Billy D'Elia and Joey Naples/Lenny Strollo in Youngstown kept very close to Jack Tocco in Detroit. It doesn't appear that Scalish/Licavoli had any young wiseguys who specifically furthered the business relationships with some of the bigger families. It seemed to have stopped after Scalish and Lonardo, two of the most respected Mafioso of their time...until Lonardo cooperated. The major problem was that Jack White didn't have any personal skills and as a matter of fact, it wasn't until Lonardo brought it to his attention that he should go to NY to introduce himself as the new boss to Fat Tony and the Genovese Family contingent. Salerno offered to have them make about a dozen new guys, but they didn't. This has always been a mystery to me.
Last edited by JCB1977; 01/15/14 12:05 PM.
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