Charles Manson, Bubba Smith and Leonetti?

Can I ask a stupid question?

Why would Phil be still in hiding. With so many big time NY rats out in the open? And Scarfo in jail?

Please, no flames, its a sincere question. There is probably an obvious answer, I just don't know it.

Thanks.

Sal

Sal, the big NY rats are not out in the open, Massino, Di Leonardo and Vitale are still in hiding. Leonetti is big time and although according to the Mafia Prince, he came into town a few times, he still did some damage and IMO he needs to watch his ass. Philadelphia guys are crazy.
Can you name the "big time NY rats" that you say are out in the open?

I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I meant guys like Michael Franzese, Sammy the Bull, Henry Hill, The Bath Ave. guys etc. or even John Veasey.

You know, the guys that are on all these "Mob Documentary" shows giving interviews, going back to their old hangouts.....

Just asking.

Sal

Salvi, the mob ain't what it used to be. Why are these guys hiding in plain sight? Only they know. Some don't care, others know that the mob has lost its bite and yet others are either stupid or have big balls. There is a million reason, but the numbers are growing. I think today they are probably having casting calls to see who is going to be in the next Documentary. By the way, that award does go to Franzese and Pistone. I just think it crazy to rub their noses because that onlyantoginizes them. If I was them, I would keep my mouth shut and fade into the sunset. The shows that they go on probaly offer them good money and an opportunity to tell THEIR story. Just my opinion Sal!

PJ Pisciotti and Dom Cicale are not only walking the streets, PJ is living in a luxury building in Manhattan and fucking Cicale is making videos on Middletown Road. And they both testified against Vinny, who WAS A BOSS.

Paciello gave testimony about Allie Boy, one of the most dangerous guys still alive. And he's living in the lap of fucking luxury at the Delano.

John Alite will be walking NYC any fucking day now. Mark my words on that.

Were these guys "big" themselves? No. But they testified against heavyweights and they're out in the fucking open.

Forget about Vitale and Massino. They're old men. Other people their age leave New York for retirement communities all the fucking time. Why should they be any different?

John Alite will be walking NYC any fucking day now. Mark my words on that.

PB- i personally saw Alite walking around Borgata on Memorial Day weekend like he owned the joint, couldnt believe it!and i didnt notice anyone with him. walking around AC alone i would think is a bad move for a rat but hey, who knows nowadays i guess.

Isn't Dominick Montiglio finger painting in Brooklyn?

No one has the fortitude for whacking a rat. The mob is just a microcosm of society and just like society in general, their only concern is the next nickel. I'm not advocating killing anybody, but once you choose that life, you are either committed or you aren't...and by allowing these guys (rats) to remain living, especially out in the open, normal lives, it just makes a mockery out of what once was a way of life, not just a means for earning.

Oldschool, is there anything to be gained by killing these guys who have already talked, IMO it will only draw the feds attention and a very long prison sentence.I don't think killing a few rats will prevent others from talking when the chips are down.

It only draws the attn of the feds if you get caught

I heard on this site. a lot of rats don't even need witness protection now. look at sal polisi.{the Sinatra club} this guy goes anywhere. then look at the guy in Chicago he ratted his own father out to the feds. no body is looking for him. why is joe bonnano never mentioned for his treachery, writing a book describing how the commission works,guliani used those words of bonnano to gain convictions in the commission case. how many more rats are out there. martin scorcese grew up in Brooklyn in the fifties, he says nobody ratted in those days. you were dead if you tried.

alfredo ferrara was the dude who showed phil the in & outs of the concrete biz..that name ring a bell Serp??

Yes it does !

i just hope i didn't bring back an unpleasent memory or open a can of worms..was he alright with you?

By the way,I'm new to the boards although i'd been spectating for a couple of years now, but i like your posts..i've been a major student of lcn since early 90s & especially the scarfo yrs. you inspired me to become a logger so i can read all your older stuff..just sayin.