Everything the Arm says makes sense to an Illinois local. I live downstate now, but lived in Melrose for a few years and have extended family who were raised there and went to Catholic school with the Italian kids. I still go up to DuPage quite often, but I've only been in Melrose/Elmwood less times than I can count on one hand in the past decade. Still, I hear gossip from relatives and what the Arm says seems spot on (actually its a lot more info than what I have heard, but makes sense in the context of the area we're talking about).

My only disagreement (if one wants to call it that) relates to the original argument that Chicago is as big as any of the 5 Families or some of the other East Coast operations. My understanding...from news articles...not pretending to know anything first hand...is that many of them are involved with the European Italian organized crime families in moving large scale narcotics. That means that they are probably involved in supplying the street gangs on the East Coast with cocaine and heroin and that means significant profits that would overshadow what I've seen described in regards to the Outfit's activities today.

First thank you...I am just passing on whatb I know, not sure why some of these guys want to make it about me.
As far as "size" goes, if we were talking membership, my list would have looked a bit different.
The question was "rank" and I took in consideration revenue, territory and overall revenue.
Again thanks, nice to hear from someone who can speak from what happens on the ground, not in the media or from law enforcement

Arm,

Thanks for the info as well. Much appreciated.

@ little nickey "And at least Philly can display a pattern of behavior over the last 8 years through indictments, something Chicago does not have." Hey, that's just a testament of Chicago's superior street smarts over Philly. Your proving my point for me. Philly, more east coast narcissistic "hot shots" who hang them self's with their BIG ARROGANT FLAMBOYANT JIVE ASS MOUTHS. Their retards who get caught, who have indictments hanging over their heads bravo, congrats Philadelphia. East coast still acts like its the freaking 1920's. Bunch of big mouth street punks with no street smarts. Chicago does don't act like the east coast! They don't get indictments like they east coast. You think Chicago is dead? Take a stroll down Harlem ave between Irving Park and North Ave on a Saturday night, start your stroll around 6:30pm. Their is a number of spots I can tell you to got to and you would see for your self that the shit is alive and well, but why bother. I'm no expert, I don't hang with fucking mobsters or pretend that I do but I grew up here and still live here, my family is a Sicilian family that is deeply rooted in this city. I would be a complete dumb ass if I did not know what was what and who was who, and for people to just assume that the Outfit is dead, because they have not shown a "pattern of indictments in the past 8 years" I find that mind boggling and completely insane.

@ TheArm "As far as "size" goes, if we were talking membership, my list would have looked a bit different.
The question was "RANK" and I took in consideration REVENUE, TERRITORY and overall REVENUE. EXACTLY! That is what I took in consideration as well. I don't care about "made members" Chicago's Territory is HUGE, they have pockets all over the west and west coast, They bring in more $ every year then just about any other active LCN family. They are still in Vegas for fuck sakes. If there is a shady hotbed of BIG money to be had and its west of the Mississippi river, then you can bet the Chicago Outfit has its hands in it at one level or another. Are they on the level that they were from the 1920's to the 1980's.....of course not, fuck no.

The Outfit's number one bachelor was 'Mad' Sam Destefano.

hahaha TheArm has serious issues, degenerate liar.

I'm not going to get deep into the NY vs chicago discussion but the Luchesse are and have always been the #3 strongest family in the country . This I know for sure , they don't get the credit they deserve because of the Casso disaster .

genovese are clear 1, Gambino a strong 2, Luchesse 3 and that's all I really know for certain. If I were to guess id say Bonnano 4 as I still think they have some lucrative drug rackets . Chicago is certainly viable family and above all other non NY and maybe 1 or so of the NY but given the lack of indictments it's clear illegal activity is down

I think the Gambinos would be number one if They let megale go..
Let's face it He had some bad judgment, Harry Farrington,joe Fursaro Vincent depreta,Case you don't know thats Dean's dad. Back in the 80's he got caught with a couple of pounds of cocaine And he walked. I guess a lot of people Didn't know that; And the people that do no this Are too afraid to talk. Uva's Father in law Donnie Was a High ranking officer In a drug squad. When you get information you want it
back in return. The truth Needs to come out
And get rid of all the fairy tales.A lot more to say but this is all I want to elaborate on right now.

http://www.mobbedup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/The-Outfit-crime-chart.gif

Call me crazy but this does not look like a family on the verge of being dead....Chicago outfit as of 2010. New York fan boys just cant stand it. Not including deceased, incarcerated and associates I counted 119 made men. This 20-30 made guy shit that some of you are saying is retarded. This is Chicago IL, not Wichita Kansas, get with it.

Colombos are more powerful then bonannos imo because they have some labour racketeering operations whereas the bonannos don't.and that article says gambling makes 2 billion in revenue? really?

You really are a moron. These charts are and have always been complete fictitious, some poster puts together a ton of dead guys, guys serving life along with some people mentioned in media reports but not otherwise given details on.

This one specifically has guys as acting capos that died in the 80s on it.

Nice digging though. Great argument.

that chart was made by a couple of guys on the internet, while i respect the work that went into, its very misleading. like for instance the posters that made it admitted that with a lot of guys they didn't differntiate between made guys and associates(so you will see a guy labeled as soldier even though he isn't made) and that a lot of guys labeled as associates were juice customers. you saying that the outfit is the size of the gambino family and have operations all across the western part of the country is a fallacy, i wouldn't doubt that all of the outfits operations are confined to chicago and the surronding suburbs.

I do have to say the chart is interesting in so far as I can pull the lexis records of these people. Maybe one of you fanboys want to give one of them a call, stop by their place or email- ask about how great the outfit is.

Holy shit, i think if 15 outfit guys shot and killed 5 dick faces right in front of you in the middle of Grand ave you would say it was New York guys that did it, and Chicago outfit does not exist.

It probably would be New York guys who would do something like that..If Chicago guys really wanted someone dead they'd probably get a dimwitted gangbanger to do it and get several layers of separation between them and the hit

ya new york guys would do it and get caught and rat on every guy they ever laid eyes on to save their own ass. At least I know to never rob a bank with a New York guy. "figure of speech...I don't rob banks" Bunch of freaking rats. New York is a embarrassment, all that ratting.

so lets see you were totally wrong about that chart that you found which you thought would be concrete proof that the outfit was the real life corleone family, and when that didn't work out you turn to same old tired and played out routine about "rats" that countless outfit fanboys have used before. all it does is make you look pathetic and delusional.

Has it occurred to you that there is less FBI information about The Outfit, because there are less rats?

I'm not saying that's the case, because I don't know, but the main argument I see against Chicago being active is that there have been less busts and less FBI information in recent years.

Well, maybe there are simply less rats in Chicago?

I don't know, like I said

If were talking real criminal activity then id say philly over decal. I cant speak for chicago or boston, but if chicago is 60% legit then its not an lcn family.

philly, because of its north jersey crew has more profitable activity then the decals.

how do you know about scoops crew over in south jesey
dry snitch

it isn't exactly a secret that philly has had a crew in north jersey for the past 30+ years and its currently being run by scoops licata……..dry snitch? do realize what site your on?

I think this thread should be left to die. Clearly noone other than the people who are being told what they want to hear takes TheArm seriously. I'm sure that serious Chicago posters like Nicky eyes and maybe even ChiTown find his claims ridiculous. The thing about NY having alot of rats is that alot of them have been high up, like Massino,Vitale,Gravano,Casso,etc, as far as we know not one of them has the type of widespread knowledge that The Arm has .

We need a list. Feel free to add to it.

1.Buffalo
2.Chicago
3.Colombo
4.'ndrangheta (in Canada)
5.NE
6.Rockford
7.Milwaukee
8.Pittsburgh

My guess is 9 will be Atlantis

Scoops retired. It is disrespectful when you call a man a criminal when he is a retired car salesman.

@Dellacroce That chart is pretty spot on quite honestly, from the boss on down. I can see some incorrect bs in the chart but for the most part it is spot on from the number of crews, the names of the crews and the names of the people in it. Most of these guys in that chart are free alive and well.

except that on that chart everyone and their fucking brother is a made guy. and the people that made the chart admitted that they listed juice customers as associates just to beef it up(which is BS, if you did that on a NY chart there would be like 10,000 associates). they probably got the very basic structure of the organization right, but anyone who thinks that chart is "spot on" is just seeing what they wanna see.

Chicago has a better skyline than New York. And better hot dogs

Fucking tomatoes and lettuice on a hot dog lol, sounds like some kid with down syndrome trying to invent a new sandwich.