Reading the Gotti book, Gravano and Gotti had meetings with Philadelphia's top guys, what were the joint operations involved or was Gotti representing Scarfo on the Commission or both?

I know Gotti wanted the Gambino's to have more lucrative South Jersey rackets and leave the North Jersey one's to the Genovese

If its the meeting im thinking about gotti and scarfo had to have a sit down over a problem some guys with philly were having with the cherry hill gambinos.

Which Gotti book are you reading PL?

Didn't Rosario Gambino pull a gun on a made philly guy and threaten to kill him?

I don't think it was the main reason for the meeting but it was discussed. It's all in the NJ Report OCBars2. Emanuel Gambino pulled a gun on Narducci at a club in Cherry Hill and Scarfo wanted him killed. Problem was Emanuel Gambino is John Gambino's brother in law....so nothing ever happened.

Also at that meeting is when Scarfo found out Rosario Gambino was a made sicilian mafioso.....Scarfo thought Gambino was made in NY but Gotti told him he wasn't....that he was with the sicilians.

Thanks GC, yeah ive read some of oc bars report but its pretty long.
If that wasnt the main reason for the meeting, do you know what was? No big deal, just curious.

Here you guys go.

http://www.state.nj.us/sci/pdf/ocbars2.pdf

OCBars 1 is a pretty good read too......more about North Jersey.

http://www.state.nj.us/sci/pdf/ocbars1.pdf

Del according to Leonetti the meeting with Gotti was after he took over the Gambino's and it was a kind of a get together to introduce the new administration to the Philly guys and for the Philly Family to pay their respects to the new boss Gotti.


"In early 1986, Scarfo and Leonetti paid their
respects to John Gotti as the new boss of the Gambino
Family. In their initial meeting, Scarfo apprised Gotti
of the problems caused by the Gambino brothers in
his area and specifically cited the beatings at the Deptford
Tavern"

Thanks buddy

Here's pretty much the entire part on the Gotti-Scarfo meeting.


In early 1986, Scarfo and Leonetti paid their
respects to John Gotti as the new boss of the Gambino
Family. In their initial meeting, Scarfo apprised Gotti
of the problems caused by the Gambino brothers in
his area and specifically cited the beatings at the Deptford
Tavern

In approximately December of 1985,
John Gotti, a member of the Gambino Family, had Paul
Castellano killed and then took over
as boss. A short time later, Gambino
member Salvatore “Sammy the Bull”
Gravano travelled to Atlantic City to
meet with Scarfo and Leonetti. They
met Gravano at a bar, known as
Angelo’s Fairmount Tavern, on
Fairmount and Mississippi Avenues.
Gravano told Scarfo and Leonetti
that Gotti, as the new boss of the
Gambino Family, would like to meet
them. Scarfo told Gravano that he
would also like to meet Gotti and that
he would make contact with Joe
Farinella to schedule a meeting.
Scarfo and Leonetti then contacted
Farinella in Trenton shortly afterward
and made arrangements to meet
with Gotti.
A month or so after Gotti became
boss, Scarfo and Leonetti met him for
the first time. The meeting took place
in approximately January or February
of 1986 at a town house in Staten
Island that was owned by a brotherin-
law of Gravano’s. Other members
of the Gambino Family who were at
the meeting were Gravano, Frank
DeCicco, Joseph “Joe” Gallo,
Angelo Ruggiero, Joe Farinella and
Joseph “Joe Butch” Corrao. Scarfo
and Leonetti were the only members
of the Scarfo Family who went to the
meeting. One of the areas discussed
were the problems that the Scarfo
Family was having with the
Gambino brothers and their associates,
including the incident with Sal
Gambino at the Deptford Tavern.
Gotti said that he was sorry that the
incidents occurred.
Shortly after Scarfo’s and Gotti’s first meeting,
a sit-down was convened when a Gambino Family
associate brandished a gun and threatened a Scarfo
Family member in a fight over a woman at a Cherry
Hill bar. Leonetti narrated the facts that prompted the
sit-down over the persistent problems with the
Gambinos:
Within a month or two of the first
meeting with Gotti, another problem
occurred with the Gambino group
from the southern New Jersey and
Philadelphia area. It involved
Emanuel “Matty” Gambino, who
was friendly with John, Joe and Sal
Gambino. Matty Gambino, who
lived in the southern New Jersey area,
was somehow related to the Gambino
brothers. He and Philip Narducci had
an argument over a woman at a
Cherry Hill bar, known as Franchin’s.
Gambino made threatening remarks
and pulled a gun on Narducci.
Narducci was a La Cosa Nostra
member in the Scarfo Family and
Gambino was an associate in the
Gambino Family. After the incident
took place, Narducci went to see
Leonetti in Atlantic City at the office
of Scarf, Inc., to tell him what had
happened. They took a walk outside
while Narducci, who was accountable
to Leonetti at the time, explained the
situation. When Leonetti told Scarfo
about the incident, Scarfo was furious.
Around March of 1986, Scarfo and
Leonetti again met Gotti at the Staten
Island town house of Salvatore
“Sammy The Bull” Gravano’s
brother-in-law. Gotti had Joe
Farinella contact Scarfo and Leonetti
to arrange a second meeting because
Gotti wanted to further discuss the
problems with the Gambino brothers
and their associates. Scarfo and
Leonetti were the only members from
the Scarfo Family who attended the
sit-down. The Gambino Family members
that attended the first meeting
with Gotti were the same members
who were present for the second meeting.
The meeting resolved the issue to Scarfo’s
satisfaction:
Scarfo and Leonetti explained to
Gotti what Matty Gambino had done
to Narducci. Scarfo then told Gotti
that he was so angry that he wanted Matty Gambino killed. The incidents
regarding Sal Gambino’s actions at
the Deptford Tavern...[was] also
brought up again. Scarfo told Gotti
that he was tired of all the problems
caused by the Gambino brothers and
their associates. Gotti apologized for
the problems and asked Scarfo to give
him a little more time to take care of
the situation. Gotti indicated that
since he had only been boss of the
Gambino Family for a few months,
he needed time to get things in order.
Gotti said that if he couldn’t
straighten out the situation, then he
would have Matty Gambino killed.
After the meeting with Gotti, the
Scarfo Family never had any more
problems with the Gambino group
from the southern New Jersey and
Philadelphia area.

What the report doesn't say is the real reason the problems with Rosario Gambino and his crew ended was because Sal was sentenced to 45 years in prison....and Joe Gambino moved back to Brooklyn..to work directly with his other brother John Gambino.

Also Emanuel Gambino is John Gambino's brother in law so i seriously doubt Emanuel was ever really at risk of being killed.....but i guess you never know.

I could be thinking of the Decavalcantes but I thought there was a beef where the Gambinos were making guys from Philly or the philly territory and Scarfo wanted to put an end to it.

I heard that one of the reasons for the meeting was that the Gambinos had some of their guys encroaching on Philly territories, mainly northern New Jersey, and that Gravano was eyeing Atlantic City for construction business.

I agree, John Gambino's crew was frigging huge, full of hitters too. No way Gotti was even considering it IMO.

BTW, what is Emmanuel Gambino upto?

Not much these days.....he passed away in Oct.

His sister Vittoria is John Gambino's wife.

Emanuel S. Gambino

Emanuel Salvatore Gambino of Mount Laurel, died Tuesday, Oct. 22, 2013, at the VA Medical Center in Philadelphia. He was 68.

He was born in Palmero, Italy and moved to New York when he was seven. Mr. Gambino was a hero for his country and family.

He is survived by his sons, Daniel Joseph (Kristine), Emanuel Michael (Chrissy), Michael Daniel (Jayme); sisters, Anna and Sally Inzerillo, Vittoria Gambino (John); grandchildren, Damiano, Nicholas, Giuliana and Emanuel.

A viewing will be held from 2 to 4 p.m. on Thursday, Oct. 24, and again from 6 to 7:45 p.m., followed by the funeral service all at the Mount Laurel Home for Funerals, 212 Ark Road, Mount Laurel, NJ 08054. Interment will be Friday, Oct. 25, at the Brig. Gen. William C. Doyle Veterans Memorial Cemetery.

Scarfo having an issue with the Gambino's encroaching on philly's south jersey territory was the least of Gotti's problems. The Genovese family wanted all the south jersey rackets after Bruno was killed in 1980. Because of the Gambino's trying to go after south jersey, the Genovese ( bobby manna) wanted gotti killed. Part of it was due to the unsanctioned hit of Castellano, but mostly due to south jersey. Had it not been for an fbi bug in a genovese controlled restaurant that resulted in the arrest of Manna and part of his crew, both john gotti and his brother gene would have been dead. That crew didnt fuck around, they were serious guys.

Interesting sidenote my friend on the RD forum told me, Emanuel Gambino's sister Sally (Silvana) listed in the obit is the mother of Tall Pete Inzerillo and his sister Rosalia who is Frank Cali's wife. Small world.

The other sister is married to John Gambino and his other sister was also married to an Inzerillo. Thats a pretty heavy family.

Gotti The Rise and Fall

Thanks man. I've never been into Gotti books, but my picks on LCN relatd are getting thin, I'll check it out!

Keep in mind too that The Gambino/Bruno relationship/alliance went back to the 1940s and likely earlier. When Bruno was boss, his Commission vote was often in absentia and by default went the same way as Carlo's family. And more specific to Scarfo-Leonetti/Gravano, those two families strengthened their bond not only with the rackets/construction in AC throughout the 70s-80s, but with some tit-for-tat murders as well. Gravano took out Johnny Keys Simone and Scarfo repaid the favor by taking out Frankie Stillitano for the Gambinos. Leonetti and Gravano seemed to get along well and did much AC-related biz together until everything fell apart later in the 1980s. And considering Stanfa's Italian ties to the Gambinos in Sicily and his "pass" from his Bruno murder involvement, the relationship continued into the 90s.

Were those the only two meetings? I thought there was a third later on, when Gotti found out that Manna was plotting to kill him. This was an arranged meeting setup by Leonetti and Gravano in 87' so Gotti could be able to tell if Scarfo was involved with Manna, since Scarfo had became close to Manna while in prison and had remained on friendly terms with one another. I believe this meeting happened right before the Gambino, Genovese and Lucchese meeting took place.

In Leonetti's book Mafia Prince he talks about how Gotti and Gravano told them of the plot to kill Paul. But I just can't see them saying that to them when they told all others that it was a family issue and they would deal with the killers.

Any input to the meetings?

I have a question. Were the luchese's not strong enough down in Margate/AC (Abate, Acceturro, etc.,) or not in the right place at the right time when Scarfo made the connection with Gerace and Local 54, and the rest of the unions??

I gather that The commission had to give him some insight into union control because the concrete club was running the same time Philly LCN took over A.C (Atlantic CIty) casino construction? Prior to, Local 30 was under Bruno's control, so it's not like Philly LCN was completely new to unions.

But, more to my question, I read all the philly books out there so I understand the connection with Bruno/Gambino and Scarfo/Manna/Chin. I also know that Abate turned over control to Acceturro in the late 1970s but I can't imagine Tony Ducks Corrallo and Abate sitting back and letting the Chin pull all the strings. Were the Genovese that strong?? To fend off Luchese, Gambino, etc.?? Did they take control of the commission because of the Scarfo alliance??

@Philly Mob - I read leonetti's book a couple times. I don't remember him saying that Gravano told him PRIOR to the killing. I think it was after. I recall the book saying that Gotti Told Scarfo (paraphrasing) "I got commission approval on paul" And Scarfo saying "I'm sure you did, John". and he knew it was BS.

Who is this Farinella guy from Trenton? Never heard of him. Is he still around?

I think tony ducks main concert was his control of long island/everything.I red he started putting flags all over the island since the 50tys and they shared the garmet district with the gambino + jfk. Ducks didn't really want things in jersey and didn't expect to much from tumac. That changed with Vic an casso.

Probably was told nicely to stay away from a.c. then when Bruno and all them guys getting killed ducks probably told the jersey crew stay away from that hell.

The Pappadio brothers ran the garment district for the Luchesse for a long long time

Thanks Nicky. Yea I was talking about after the hit already happen.

It just seemed weird that the Gambino's told all families that they would take care of the problem with Big Pauly's murder and find the people responsible. But yet they told the Philly family that they were the ones that murdered Pauly. Maybe I'm missing out on something or misread.

Please help lol.

I have/had this fascination with the Scarfo era for a while because that's what I grew up with. I remember not being allowed off the school bus because my neighbor was being arrested by the swat/FBI team. It was nuts.

But after reading the books, I think Phillip Leonetti and Nicky Scarfo were out of their minds. Maybe Gotti just told them because the Bull was close with them and he told Gotti they could be trusted. Like the above post, these guys were doing murdering "Favors" for each other. SHit, Gotti was so full of himself that he probably told Scarfo to brag. Like when your cat kills a mouse or bird and leaves it on the doorstep for you to see.

Nick : Margate was built up by then,just a couple low rises were built after 1978.

Don't know what NY was thinking.But the first 3 or so were hotels that were already standing.It went into full swing when chicken man was boss cos he had Nicks back and Nick had his.Then we all know what happened to that. Nicky sr had a firm grip on everything down here before he was boss. Then he became the boss.This all happened so fast.And the time frame worked out perfect for them. I Don't think anyone pushed back on him
. That's when the building boom really hit.

I think this is how it went , Resorts was built back in the day, Caesars was a Howard Johnson's ,Claridge was built back in the day,So by this time Nick was the man.I think the first casino that they could have had a hold on from bottom to top was playboy, Then all the hotels were new ,and getting bigger and bigger.$$$$$$$
Also the mayor was a guy that was around often.And his kids also were friends of friends of us in A.C. This was just all perfect timing for them .