It's interesting that mob power across the U.S. and even in New York isn't what it used to be. I WONDER where poeple think OC will be in 15-25 years in the U.S.?

In 17 years Canada will only be 2/3 white European. Vancouver will be basically 60% "visible minority" mostly Chinese then Indians. Toronto will be 60% "visible minority" mostly Indians then Chinese. And Montreal will be 30% "visible minority" mostly Arab. I'm assuming the same stuff is going on in the U.S. except maybe more with Mexicans/Central Americans then CHinese/Indians/Arabs.

In Canada I think we're going to see a lot more of the United Nations type gangs. In BC the UN was/is a kind of mid level gang who started out with some Asian OC connections. They're not small players but they couldn't/can't compete with the HA.

They were/are a mostly European/Asian (Chinese with the odd Filipino) gang with some Arabs and Indians thrown in. So I figure in Vancouver, Toronto and to a lesser extent Montreal you'll see multiracial OC groups and/or competition and cooperation between ethnically and racially segregated groups.

In Toronto you already see the Ndrangheta cooperating with bikers and occasionally people with Vietnamese names (they seem to like to grow weed and make ecstasy/meth). I mean no Indian would ever be inducted into the Ndrangheta but they better learn to cooperate with other groups or their market share is going to get shrunk big time and they run the risk of being out muscled.

I suppose both will probably go on: multiracial groups (UN style) and cooperation between ethnic/racially segregated groups. Hell, the downtown Toronto HA inducted a Persian guy. Although, I think there rule is no blacks which is why you see Mexicans in the HA in California.

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First time I hear about this United Nation gang. But from the info, it looks pretty tight.

About the future of OC, it goes like history. Time changes and so does people. If long ago you'd consider Rome as a strong empire, nowdays it's the US. The same is with OC, 80 years back LCN ran stuff, twenty years ago it was the Russians and nowdays you see Mexican Drug Cartels running stuff.

It matters of people concerns. Some crime groups like Eastern European ones, they don't trust other nationalities. Like Russians, they will never trust some Nigerian or Chineese guy, unless he grew up in Russian and speaks fluent Russian.

You see these guys from United Nation gang, well they started as friends from school. They got some trust in between them already. What builds and organized crime group mainly is trust between the participants in it.

Personally, I think OC groups will be less and less organized along ethnic lines as the country becomes more of a melting pot. Also, it just makes more sense from a business perspective. Also, these large groups like LCN and Bikers may go the way of the dodo bird as smaller, more streamlined goups may be more efficient. I could be completely wrong, however!!!

The 'Ndrangheta has been dealing with other groups for decades. They work with Colombians for cocaine, with Turkish for heroin... There are members of the Ndrangheta almost everywhere in the world, so they have to deal with foreign people.

They were globalized before we even heard about globalization, even in the 30s the cosa nostra worked with corsican gangster who worked with turkish drug traffickers...

But the force of the Ndrangheta especially but any other mafia is that they only trust their own blood, share common traditions and are impenetrable.

The people from the island are way more powerful than anyone in the Ndrangheta or Camorra, and they have been around for a lot longer than either of them.

"Like Russians, they will never trust some Nigerian or Chineese guy, unless he grew up in Russian and speaks fluent Russian. "

Actually their are cases of Russian crime groups that have partnerships with Triads and Nigerian Syndicates.

"They were globalized before we even heard about globalization"

The first crime group that come to mind when globalization was used happen to be Nigerians as well. During the international expansion of the Ndrangheta , Nigerian syndicates were operating in 60+ countries.

Partnerships in means of going into an business venture with a whole group that will eventually end after some time. I was speaking of Russians accepting Nigerian or Triad ethnics in their lines. That's the thing they will never allow.