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Friggin great story...

Dom was at the Z bar earlier around 6o'clock doing shots of patron.was told he looked light he didnt have a worry in the world.i wonder if hes still there now? Is their any philly guys from this forum that are members of that club?

Yeah, I've heard that same thing about a hundred of these guys. But the truth is, no one knows what's going on in someone else's head. He could be at the bar self-medicating with booze to keep his head together, or maybe he just doesn't give a fuck. But only he knows for sure.

All that said, I'd be a little worried if I was in his shoes. Time will tell, though.

Cheech I get the NY Post every morning and they hit me hard price wise because its considered out of state.Don't care have to have it.Nobody and I mean nobody does a headline like the Post.Last week on the cover and a big picture of what was her name Monica Lewinsky the one with Clinton and the headline said ''My life sucks''.They take it to another level.

depends who you ask

Cheech I have been thinking the same thing about Anastacia since the day I got interested in the Philly Mob... He was decent on the MobTalk series on Philly.com but his articles are the same thing over and over. He needs a Thesaurus too because he uses the same words all the time. If you read his articles and books, he uses the phrase "wanton violence" to describe the philly mob ALL the time. It drives me nuts!

"Make Money Not Headlines!!"

cheech I had a similar deal at a Nascar race one time but different result. My brother got me some pit passes and all that through DuPont and we were on pit road before the race and folks were getting autographs on these cheap hats they gave us. Some dude on pit road starts autographing mine and says "this sure is a nice hat to mess up" and I laughed, then proceeded to tell him "it's just going to be a shop hat so don't worry". He quickly put it down and didn't want to sign anything else.....haha

I agree pizza, the next set of jurors are going to be stuck in the hotel with no damn t.v.......LMAO

I just saw Dom Grande, Lance and some other guy. The other guy I don't know but he was dressed nicer like he had a job during the day haha with some papers in his hand. But the main reason I wanted to share this is because Dom probably weighs the same amount as Lance. Lance as always been a bigger dude but Dom is huge! If my name was in the papers in connection to a Murder, I think I wouldn't be able to eat a decent meal.

The daily news has gotten expensive too. I switched to just Friday and the weekends recently.

I hate this gag order shit. I think most of us would really like to know what really happened with the jurors and all the cops posted up in the court house. Something serious went down.I have always thought Nicodemo wouldn't flip. And if he did it would be because he was found guilty. And I seriously doubt Ligambi ordered the hit. IMO it was ordered by Merlino at his fathers funeral. Tying up loose ends. Or it wasn't ordered and Nicodemo acted alone. But I also don't think that Nicodemo would just hit someone like that without first getting approval from somebody higher up..

Also if Dominic Grande was the shooter, I would think that someone else besides Nicodemo would have ordered him to do it. Maybe I give him too much credit but it was the middle of Ligambi and the rest of the guys trial and if he just did it without somebody approving it I would think he would get into some trouble. But from what I know Grande is on good terms with Mazzone and them. Not sure what type of relationship he has with Ligambi though.

who is grande under? lance?? im curious since south philly is so small.. do most of these guys have day jobs? or do they honeostly just chill around south philly all day long shooting the shit?
I would also like to know how grande is as an earner? what type of stuff is he into money wise? really curious cause nicodemo seemed like a good earner.. he had the book inside the Borgata.. he has a legitimate job also.. seemed pretty smart until all this happened..
handsomestevie- check your p.m.'s my ninja

pizza,,, you have a little dementia spell and forget about my message I sent you? im over here waiting for you response and im not getting any younger over here at 28 years old... just busting your balls

28 years old? Go fuck yourself .

And I didn't even notice the pm. I'll hit you back in a little bit. I'm in the middle of something .

I would think Grande is under Lancellotti. And I'm sure they have day jobs. Grande is in some real estate with Nicodemo. I've seen a few properties with both Nicodemo and Grandes names listed as owners. They probably buy up shitty properties, do the labor themselves and then re sell for much higher value. Also Grande was arrested in the Borgata bust as well for taking lay off bets from the Borgata ring. So he is definitely into gambling. Philly don't have too many rackets these days besides gambling, loan sharking, poker machines, and some extortion. As for how Grande is as an earner, I have no clue.

Just from hearing the tapes of him and hearing stuff about Nicodemo it sounds like he can be a pretty hot big hothead. Could be wrong. But even if he has some smarts maybe a temper like that is enough for him to pull boneheaded hit on a guy he has / had a beef with? Idk just my 2 thoughts. Either way I bet he's not sleeping to well at the moment.

Say Tony nicks flips. Do we really think he will be a better witness than natale was? Based on the tapes, he doesnt sound really bright. The defense is going to point to the fact he is a felon that was facing life on murder one with zero choices left. Would a jury necessarily buy his word on decade old hits that he claims, with no other evidence, were directed by his capo and boss?

Good point. It's been proven with some of the recent cases that you can't win a trial solely on a rat anymore.

I think Nicodemo would be a decent witness. Especially if he gives up Grande and then he flips too, then I think a lot of people will end up snitching or doing a lot of time in prison. Juries are different every time so I guess it just depends on the juror personally if they believe the witness.

And who knows if Ron Galati is going to end up ratting too. I wouldn't feel too safe if I was involved with Nicodemo or Galati right now. And if I was Merlino,Mazzone, Ligambi or even Mikey Lance I would be worried about a guy like Grande gettin caught up with a murder charge. Dom is only 34 and definitely don't want to do life in prison. His dad ratted and the whole family disowned him. Maybe they will reunite!!

It all averages out in the long run. The Feds have been batting .900 at trial for the past 200 years. That's not going to change. They stack the deck in their favor, and they win.

But when it comes to murder charges, the Feds are around .500 in recent years. Even if Nicodemo flips, it'll still be tough to make a murder charge against Ligambi or Merlino stick.

Little Nicky,totally agree,said something like that a little while ago.if Nicodemo flips the jury will probably look at it like he's trying to save his own neck and when Ligambi's lawyers get done with it they will shred him.Could it be this simple as Nicodemo saying Uncle Joe ordered the hit and then Ligambi saying,no I didn't.Like a ''he said she said''I doubt its on tape so again even if he wants to co-operate I still don't think he has enough to get a conviction on Ligambi.

Well, I'd have to see that on paper to believe it. Granted, in the high profile mob trials of the past few years they seem to be in a bit of a slump. But the Feds try hundreds of murders a year that don't make the papers, and I still think that it all averages out. They have too many tools in their arsenal and they don't play fair, so they'll always win a lot more than they lose.

As far as Nicodemo being a poor witness against Ligambi and/or Merlino, I have no idea. I don't pretend to know anything about that family other than the very public knowledge that they seem to be a running joke lately. But I do know something about the Feds and their tactics. So I was making more of a general statement than a prediction about Nicodemo. I don't know him, and I don't care whether he flips or not .

I think the strength of tony nick's flipping would the possibility of the momentum it would cause. Grande would go down immediately (as the triggerman) along with some other ancillary guys. Maybe that would be enough to bring a case against merlino, uncle joe or maybe lucibello. Or maybe some other evidence exists out there on the two murders that we don't have because they never filed charges.

But on his own, i think hes a weak witness regardless of the extent that the feds tilt everything in their favor. He will be especially pathetic if he is found guilty by a juror of his peers before flipping. Then they literally got a convicted murder one felon, that likely testified falsely at this own trial, telling the government's story.

Pizza boy, historically doesn't mean shit. Its all about recent years. Most jurors realize that the country has bigger problems that 70 year old bookmakers with vowels at the end of their names.

Spot-on, Nicky. Nicodemo wouldn't be a very credible witness after being convicted of first degree murder. What the higher ups would have to fear, if anything, is the domino effect that rats create.


You're right. People don't give a shit about 70 year old bookmakers. I certainly don't. But jurors still care about murderers, no matter what their age, and no matter what their name is. Look no further than Bobby Vernace here in New York. He's almost 65 and he just got convicted of a thirty year old murder.