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Re: Paulie ?
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06/06/14 01:56 PM
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I think that Tony considered Paulie to be fiercely loyal to him,and willing to follow his orders regardless of the consequences.
Even though Tony was a very smart,street wise Boss, he vastly underestimated Paulie. Part of it was Tony's ego. He felt that Paulie was basically stupid,and that without Tony,he couldn't make it in the Mob world.
As we saw,Paulie was treacherous enough to try to ingratiate himself with Carmine Luppertazzi. In his mind,after Tony was gone,Carmine would support him as the new Soprano Boss.
When his plan fell apart,he must have been quaking in his boots,waiting for a bullet in the head. The fact that Tony never found out is very unusual,given the nature of the Mob grapevine.
Remember,Paulie almost did get whacked by Tony,when they were on the boat in Florida. If Paulie would have been a little less cautious,and maybe more drunk,he might have figured,"What the heck,Tony's my best friend,and the Ginny Sack thing was so long ago,I'll just come clean.We can both have a laugh,and it'll be forgotten.
Lucky for him,Paulie was so paranoid and distrustful,that his gut told him not to admit anything. Had he copped out to Tony,Paulie might never have left that boat alive.
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Re: Paulie ?
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06/07/14 10:34 AM
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Probably kept him around because he was one of those from his fathers generation that he idolized growing up, loyalty factor like others say.
Although he came very close to getting whacked in the later episodes because Tony realized it was him who likely relayed the Ralphie/Ginny Sack joke to Johnny Sack.
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Re: Paulie ?
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06/10/14 03:32 PM
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There's a theory that Paulie was the one who sold Tony out in the finale. I think even David Chase said in an interview "The Walrus is Paul" There are some clues about this... -Paulie is supposed to go and meet Butchie along with Carlo but we learned that Carlo has flipped, so Paulie went alone. -He comes back with a box of scissors. Butchie and/or Albie of NY own a hair salon. -This might be a bit of a reach as my memory is hazy, but at the sit-down Paulie seems to be patted down rather quickly and just as a formality. -He refuses Tony at first but then he changes his mind about the position after T tells him Patsy will get it. I think the reason he accepted it was because he knew Tony would get whacked so he didn't want to make Tony suspicious by being uncooperative.
Personally, I don't agree 100% with this, but I think it's plausible. Makes much more sense than the Patsy theory.
-I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
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Re: Paulie ?
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07/22/14 05:55 PM
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Paulie wasn't smart enough to be a boss...let alone brave enough to whack T I think he wudda whacked T mo?
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Re: Paulie ?
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Re: Paulie ?
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With the new discovery of him being an orphan, what does that mean about his made status? What if the sailor wasn't italian? Great question but I think many guys over the years have been made without 100% confo of their accurate bloodline and as long as they were Loyal and productive or even served at some level , almost any level, they were installed as well as celebrated. Especially in cities who needed the ranks.
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Re: Paulie ?
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02/07/19 09:43 PM
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With the new discovery of him being an orphan, what does that mean about his made status? What if the sailor wasn't italian? Great question but I think many guys over the years have been made without 100% confo of their accurate bloodline and as long as they were Loyal and productive or even served at some level , almost any level, they were installed as well as celebrated. Especially in cities who needed the ranks. The height of Italian and Irish immigration, among other European countries, unless I'm talking out of my ass, was the late 1800s and early 1900s. So a lot of the mob guys we talk about have to have some blend in their DNA. To believe otherwise you would want to have a lot of snake oil in your bathroom cupboard. IMO. Most mob guys probably are close to 100% Italian but a significant amount HAVE to have some other DNA. Source: I watched Larry David learn about his Native American heritage on George Lopez.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Paulie ?
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With the new discovery of him being an orphan, what does that mean about his made status? What if the sailor wasn't italian? Great question but I think many guys over the years have been made without 100% confo of their accurate bloodline and as long as they were Loyal and productive or even served at some level , almost any level, they were installed as well as celebrated. Especially in cities who needed the ranks. The height of Italian and Irish immigration, among other European countries, unless I'm talking out of my ass, was the late 1800s and early 1900s. So a lot of the mob guys we talk about have to have some blend in their DNA. To believe otherwise you would want to have a lot of snake oil in your bathroom cupboard. IMO. Most mob guys probably are close to 100% Italian but a significant amount HAVE to have some other DNA. Source: I watched Larry David learn about his Native American heritage on George Lopez. LoL ,and sen. warrens.
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Re: Paulie ?
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Isn't the rule the father's side? I understand it's only a show. When I seen the episode many years ago, I thought there would be more to it. Ive always knew it as to the birth from Mother but if it was not and the blood line came from The Father, who would want to put up a problem to a strong personality of the person sponsoring the inductees. Certainly if it was powerful or huge earners we are talking about. It would just get done. It got loose and Things Change over the years.
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Re: Paulie ?
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Tony hits two made guys. Ralphie at the Bing after he kills that girl, and stapling that parking ticket to Mikey Palmice's jacket for his fuckface-itus. I think the show's premise is that rule violations these days are frowned upon for good earners, but not necessarily enforced. Some mope who isn't bringing in any real money probably gets tossed into the meat grinder at Satriale's for hitting a made guy. Tony had other reasons that he considered killing Paulie but clearly his lineage was not important enough to raise as an issue. Tony was new school. " New School" ..... I like that and agree.
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Re: Paulie ?
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Tony hits two made guys. Ralphie at the Bing after he kills that girl, and stapling that parking ticket to Mikey Palmice's jacket for his fuckface-itus. I think the show's premise is that rule violations these days are frowned upon for good earners, but not necessarily enforced. Some mope who isn't bringing in any real money probably gets tossed into the meat grinder at Satriale's for hitting a made guy. Tony had other reasons that he considered killing Paulie but clearly his lineage was not important enough to raise as an issue. Tony was new school. " New School" ..... I like that and agree. That's pretty much how it is on the street as well, for the most part the all mighty dollar. Used to be 3 ways to get ur button 1) Loyal Shooter 2) Earner 3) Family relationships Today shooting is more or less a thing of the past so if your not born into it, you have to $$$$ EARN that button now.
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Re: Paulie ?
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Tony hits two made guys. Ralphie at the Bing after he kills that girl, and stapling that parking ticket to Mikey Palmice's jacket for his fuckface-itus. I think the show's premise is that rule violations these days are frowned upon for good earners, but not necessarily enforced. Some mope who isn't bringing in any real money probably gets tossed into the meat grinder at Satriale's for hitting a made guy. Tony had other reasons that he considered killing Paulie but clearly his lineage was not important enough to raise as an issue. Tony was new school. " New School" ..... I like that and agree. That's pretty much how it is on the street as well, for the most part the all mighty dollar. Used to be 3 ways to get ur button 1) Loyal Shooter 2) Earner 3) Family relationships Today shooting is more or less a thing of the past so if your not born into it, you have to $$$$ EARN that button now. Yes Sir.
Be Loyal, Be Loving, Be Quiet.
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