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Re: "It's only Business" is a lie
[Re: Pretty_Amberg]
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06/21/14 12:17 PM
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Of course it is personal. Roth set out to avenge Mo Green. He could have made more money with Michael than he could have without him.
As for Michael... there is no way it was only about business. Sicilians have a long memory. Agreed, Michael was patient but vengeful, hitting Fabrizio many years later was personal...
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Re: "It's only Business" is a lie
[Re: Pretty_Amberg]
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06/22/14 12:12 PM
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Maybe I'm in my dotage, but I don't remember where Michael made it clear he wanted Roth out.
MICHAEL: Just go along as if you know nothing. I've already made my move. FREDO: What move? MICHAEL: HYMAN ROTH will never see the New Year.
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Re: "It's only Business" is a lie
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06/22/14 05:27 PM
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Maybe I'm in my dotage, but I don't remember where Michael made it clear he wanted Roth out. He sought Roth's permission to move Klingman out, though. I thought Roth was more into symbiosis, as "he always made money for his friends."
Good question. The first thing we see Michael do after Sicily is to move Moe Green out of his hotel. IMO, that was the opening shot in Michael's intent to dominate Nevada gambling. I have to believe that Roth, as Moe's best friend, had a piece of that hotel. By GFII, Michael already owned or controlled three Nevada hotels, was angling for a piece of a fourth, and was angling for Roth's Havana casinos. What would that have left Roth with? Even earlier on, Michael was protective of Roth, as evidenced by forcing Pantangeli to make peace with the Rosatto's. I think Michael's change came when someone tried to have him killed. Short answer: because he thought that, by supporting the Rosatos against Pentangeli at Roth's behest, he'd be making Roth more amenable to the Havana deal. Longer answer: why would Roth--who lived in Miami and had business interests in Nevada and Havana--interest himself in a petty quarrel between the Rosatos and Pentangeli? Because Roth intended to have Michael whacked, and by putting the Rosatos in place of Pentangeli, Roth would neutralize the Corleones' NYC muscle. Michael should have questioned Roth's advocacy of the Rosatos, but I think his greed for the Havana deal blinded him. If he did question it, Roth might have replied, "Look, Michael, this is an old debt I owe the Rosatos. Just go along--it'll be good for our deal." Roth saying "he let it go" was like Vito saying that he wouldn't be the one to break the peace. Roth let it go for the moment, and Vito knew Michael would do the avenging. I'm not denying that Roth would have felt some personal satisfaction in having Michael killed because Michael had Moe killed. But I think Roth wanted Michael dead for business reasons: he wanted to stop Michael from forcing him out of the gaming business. Also, killing Fredo was personal. There were other ways to handle it if it had only been about business. GFIII supports you. In his confession to Cardinal Lamberto, Michael says, "I had my brother killed--he injured me." Arguably, the injury was long past by the time Michael had Neri whack Fredo. But, after Fredo's vicious outburst in the boathouse, Michael had reason to believe that Fredo had deep resentments that might surface at any time. A "business" reason: Michael had to show those around him, and others (potential enemies) that he never gave a traitor a pass.
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