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Re: Corsicans
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Re: Corsicans
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Take a look at 2009 French movie, a Prophet even if it doesn't speak directly of the corsicans mafia, however, it shows the power that still has in the prisons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Prophet Yes, I've seen the movie. By the way, does anyone happen to know what the current relationship with the nationalists and mob is? I get the impression that the two groups have had some connections but the same time nationalists have spoken against the mob, like here http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...me-1463291.html
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Re: Corsicans
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Have to say Corsica is an extremely beautiful place however and as with all ethnic groups the criminals are a minority. It's safe for tourists and the Corsican people themselves are very hospitable. They're a proud people though, they've historically resented being a part of France and don't like to be called "French" neither do they like being called "Italian". Ethnically they're most likely a mix between Sardinians and Northern Italians (Tuscans for that matter).
Just looking at a map of Corsica, anyone can see that Corsica is closer to Italy than it is to France. Could it be that the Unione Corse is really another form of Southern Italian OC? edit: They are clearly NOT Italian.
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Re: Corsicans
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Just looking at a map of Corsica, anyone can see that Corsica is closer to Italy than it is to France. Could it be that the Unione Corse is really another form of Southern Italian OC?
Corsica became part of France in 1768 (and had previously been ruled by the Republic of Genoa since 1284), whereas most historians say that the mafia did not begin in Sicily and the South of Italy until the early 1800s. Nonetheless, there does seem to be a kind of "intuitive" relationship between Corsican & Southern Italian organized crime Does Sardinia have a mafia?
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Re: Corsicans
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Just looking at a map of Corsica, anyone can see that Corsica is closer to Italy than it is to France. Could it be that the Unione Corse is really another form of Southern Italian OC?
Corsica became part of France in 1768 (and had previously been ruled by the Republic of Genoa since 1284), whereas most historians say that the mafia did not begin in Sicily and the South of Italy until the early 1800s. Nonetheless, there does seem to be a kind of "intuitive" relationship between Corsican & Southern Italian organized crime Does Sardinia have a mafia? I would like to know that also. I thought about that (Sardinia). Since I made the last post above, I took the time to browse through the BB's posts on the topic. That said, I would not now classify Unione Corse as "Southern Italian OC".
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Re: Corsicans
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With the "Anomina Sarda" they probably mean the various, mostly individually working robbers and kidnappers that come from Sardinia. Sardinia doesn't even really have any gang-like organized crime groups, let alone some kind of "mafia". Individual criminals, sure, but nothing of a long term cooperative criminal gang.
Corsica is extremely close to Sardinia. Both islands have their differences, but also many similarities. The tribe the population supposedly descended from, the Corsi, are actually native to Northern Sardinia and probably were a Sardinian tribe. Corsica throughout history has also had a large influx of people from Liguria. In general I would say Corsicans are closer to Italians than they are to French people, but they would probably describe themselves as just "Corsicans" first and foremost.
I'm not extremely well-versed on the "Corsican mafia", but from what I read I think they're more structured like the Camorra: into different clans or gangs consisting of criminals that come from the same area. The Bastia area for instance had the "Brise de Mer" gang that was named after the bar where most of the members frequently met, as Martial already stated a few posts above.
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Re: Corsicans
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To everyone on this thread, yes this is truly a 'secret' society, the Unione Corse.
Piquing my curiosity about them even further is noticing that they are featured in one of the Classic James Bond films that recently aired here in NYC.
Maybe they are so secretive, that their mythic quality allowed them to be featured in a fantasy film about a super secret agent. But they are more than mythical. They exist.
On Wikipedia, there is a grand total of...SEVEN made men alleged to belong to the Unione Corse. That's it.
For me, the most interesting of them is Mr Lucien Emile Conein. This guy was mobbed up with OSS (CIA), DEA, and the US Army also. Who was he working for? Can't tell.
This is just far too sophisticated/complex.
Anyone getting involved with any kind of dope has lost their mind.
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Re: Corsicans
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Here is Lucien Conein himself. He sounds and looks like a Washington DC insider from the Southern US, and not like a member of the Corsican Mafia. It's hard to believe, watching this, that he was a member of the Unione Corse: Unione Corse? According to this, Lucien was made an honorary member of the Corsican Brotherhood while helping the Unione Corse and France fight the Nazis. Only an Honorary Cosican Mafioso
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