What's quality in gamgster for you? Being street smart, down to kill anyone
(Even in front of cops), how they conduct their criminal operations or approach rivals. Or just simple criminal experience? Can you narrative how did the war between Cutolo and the Camorra families happened or explain how these "expert" mobsters won. I can show you the contrary between the war between Sinaloa cartel and the Amado Carillo family(Juarez Cartel). Even though Chapo had the army and federal police on his payroll in Valley(Ciudad Juarez city and surrounding areas) and thousands of low quality gang bangers(Mexicles) he lost the war against a shell of a cartel that used be the most powerful in Mexico and Latin America called the Amado Carillo family. Chapo had the political and the Chichuaha state backing him up, from the local politicians to the jail guards. Not to mention 10,000 federal police and soldiers, Juarez city alone had about a combined 5,000 federal police and soldiers many on Chapos payroll. Imagine that. 5,000 soldiers and federal police plus thousands of gang bangers vs 5,000 hard core Barrio Azteca gang members they conduct the local distribution and retail sales for La Limea which itself is kinda of the guys in charge of the Juarez drug corridor for the Amado Carillo family. For every 8 Barrio Azteca members or affiliates, the soldiers and federal police detained one Mexicles(Chapos gangbangers). Chapo originally went for the corridor itself which he kind of won, in the sense he didn't have to pay taxes to the Amado Carillo family but then he went for local distribution and retail sales and that's when he started to get his ass kicked. He did managed to go hold part of the city's local drug sales but Barrio Azteca managed by La Linea ultimately kicked the Mexicles out. Now Chapos guys (Gente Nueva) operate mainly on the outer outskirts of the area let alone Ciudad Juarez itself. Chapo had the political and police/army connections there but he ultimately lost against a well entrenched drug family that has operated since the 90s.

You guys obviously have boners for mobsters and that clouds your judgement or else you wouldn't be asking dumb questions with obvious answers (about physical fitness for example).
Common sense 101: Strength and conditioning plays a factor in a fight. In a fight between two groups who are not trained, the group that works out and generally fights much more often is going to win.
300lb fat fucks like the one in the Bronx tale biker bar scene would get their asses handed to them by a biker or anyone remotely competent. As someone else pointed, that fat guy aint't hurting nobody in a fight. You do know the mob HIRES bikers to do their fighting for them and it ain't because the mobsters just don't feel like it? Your opinion is based on nothing more than a preference. You actually throw all logic out the window for the sake of that preference too.

Look how tough Casso was in prison when he didn't have knuckle draggers like Chiodo backing him up.

Hits someone over the head with a rolled up newspaper and gets his ass handed to him.

Sums it up.

Are those scars, acne scars or dimples on Casso's face in that 60 Minutes interview?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLEdTZCyFfE

lets throw the cartel, IRA and the Sicilian Mafia in the mix and see if we cant make this argument even more childish.........

I was already too late

+1

This thread is beyond stupid.

Don't know what to say about this thread other than "lol". It only takes 1 determined man to change history... regardless of who he may be, or his affiliations.

Lozano is an Hispanic name. Not Italian.

Not true. Lozano is of Italian origins. Google it. You can have your own opinions but you can’t have your own facts.

Doesn`t the mob have way more associates than the biker clubs? I mean Philly family must had a few hundred associates which would make them a similar-sized organization with the Pagans. Why do people usually only count made members as mob muscle while most violent mobsters are probably the younger associates?

Also it seems a lot of people think American LCN members are not very violent or tough, I wonder what do you guys think of Canadian mobsters or mobsters in Italy? I think those real Italians are very hard-core gangsters.

In Canada they often sub-contract hits to street gangs

yeah but I guess that`s because they don`t want to draw too much attention to themselves?

This was one of the dumbest threads ever posted on any internet forum.