I understand what you're saying Sonny. Up to a point, I agree. But if the bikers stab somebody or beat him to death, he's dead the same as if he was shot with some small caliber pistol with a suppressor by a made guy or associate. The mobsters are tough, really tough. Of course they're capable of killing you, if they think it's necessary. But I just think they're more about money and business.

Who really cares who's physically stronger? These kind of threads are ridiculous to begin with. They're all career criminals and they all have members more than capable enough to commit brutal acts of violence (including murder).

Adding to that: it all depends on the location. In NYC the bikers are nowhere near the mobsters. In some other place, for instance California or Texas, bikers would run the wiseguys out of town. You often hear these laughable claims from 14 year old kids that go like: "Russians and Albanians so much stronger than Italians blablabla". While the last time I checked in NYC it were the Russians kicking up to the Italians. As for the Albanians like the Rudaj gang (who had as many Italian and Greek members as they had Albanian ones- check the arrests if you don't believe me) who tried to take on the mob...where exactly are they now? That's right, rotting in jail and they don't have any street presence anymore. In other cities throughout the world it may be different. Consensus: these "mob ethnic/cultural group 1 vs. mob ethnic/cultural group 2"-battles are ridiculous.

Any thread with the abbreviation vs. in the heading is going to be childish and retarded. This one has been no exception.

True that. People come (or should come) to these forums to learn or share new information. These kind of threads add nothing and should be kept for wikia pages such as DeadliestFiction or the likes.

Whew. I was about to start a thread "Joey Testa Vs. Anthony Senter who is more psycho". Dodged that bullet.

Should I start a thread like "Chicago vs New York: which mob is/was stronger and cooler?". I bet the debates in this thread will be the most educated, polite, and informative for mob experts

Yeah, that'd last about an hour before it got locked by the mods .

oh yeah because that can't be possible

i'll take a biker into a fist before i take john gotti (see what happened to him}

Exactly!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRxhCxLCNOo

Aren't we comparing apples and oranges here fellas?

Bikers have no choice but to lift weights and look intimidating because outside of prostitution and drug deals they have to extort money to live on, and the tougher looking they are, the easier people will pay up, where as some mob guys actually have brains and can think up good money making scams that the bikers never will...And has anybody ever seen a biker fight one on one with anybody ?? They fight five against one...Sonny Barger even admits that in his book !!

Succinctly, bikers want you to know who they are, mobsters are supposed to be secretive...or at least, once upon a time, they were.

We'll it really depends on the biker or mobsters but there there gets a point when criminals turn into scum. That's where I draw the line and those who cross it are monsters or cowards. I think bikers overall might go down for a fight but the alchohol and mob mentality helps in getting down with someone. I think street gangs are tougher than both since they live in the hood, where murders take place daily. They kinda become immune to it but I am not sure. Do I see street gangs having more hardcore members than both bikers and monsters. There are some crazy motherfuckers out there. Though prison gangs are the most dangerous in my opinion especially La Eme and AB. They are the elites of the criminal underworld and probably the most hardcore criminals on average around the world.

La Eme are practically gang members. Most La Eme members are high ranking leaders of several Southern California street gang cliques, the vast majority of them from Florencia 13 and 18th Street Gang. Which proves that street gang member can be just as capable of organized crime

Members of La EME are ex gangbangers. They, in a way, surpassed the entire gangbanging culture and became "sophisticated", as much as drug addict lifers can be. And it's not just F13 and 18ST. As a matter of fact, one of the most connected Sureno gang is Avenues, because of the Aguirre family. Sorry for going off topic, guys!

Excuse me for getting off topic , but not all gang members live in the hood.

I loved that scene in "Bronx Tale" where the bikers came into Chez Bippy and refused to leave so the mob guys locked the door and said "Now you can't leave" and proceeded to kick ass and bust up motorcycles. Fiction of course, but still entertaining

If the bikers are more toughest motherfucker then the mobster,explain to me why the Hell's Angels or the Outlaws,that are the most numerous biker clubs haven't declared war against the mob families ?

why Pagans haven't declared war against the Philly mob ?

Are more numerous and stronger than the the mafia (400 vs 40-50). Maybe because you can be a tough son of a bitch when you want, but if your "brothers" begin to die and know to get long prison terms, then you think about it and know that it is better to work with them instead of attacking them.

In addition bikers are recognizable, the mobsters no; You never know who is that can hit you.

If John Gotti wasn't in prison and with cancer, the black that attacked him had already been killed by Gotti himself.

small example and sorry if I go out of the post.

When Cutolo declared war to the old Camorra families had thousands of soldiers for most young men ready to kill anyone and rule in the prisons, the other families had 100 or 200 men, but they were more expert and eventually won them.

This is the difference between the mob and the bikers, quality vs quantity.

@furio


bikers and mobsters operations rarely cross paths, and if they do they work together

john gotti got his ass whooped because jeff fort gave the order

gotti wasn't shit compared to jeff fort in marion, illinois

Not these ducktales again.

^^^^^

the only ducktale is that the aryans were scouring the earth for willie

do u have any clue what would've happened to willie if he attacked gotti WITHOUT PERMISSION?

Let's avoid that topic and stay on the Bikers vs. Mobsters please. We don't need this heated argument all over again.

what's the difference? They're both fucking criminal elements.

I Agree The Australian, the only difference is that Mobsters wear tailored suits!

We're with The Vipers.

Don't forget the almond paste

Same principle. And the truth is, the people who come to Arthur Avenue from the suburbs just to shop for dry goods are REALLY retarded. At least with the perishables (especially the bread and pastries), you can justify the trip. But there's no such thing as a dry good that can't be found online today.