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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
[Re: DB]
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02/27/15 08:33 AM
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always wonder if stuff is still going on as those guys owned a lot of those wholesale fish co.s, I know probably today a background check is ridiculous but I wouldnt be shocked if some envelopes still make it out , just a lot more legitimate today , but who knows , I know I dont The new market is right next door to the prison barge in Hunts Point. One of the government offices that monitors the weights and measures and cost to sell ratios for the fish market is actually located INSIDE the barge. The outside monitoring is done by fucking Giuliani's private security firm. No conflict of interest there, though  . Long story short: No. No. And No.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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Gotti wouldn't have been made without Dellacroce? Wow Yeah, like the Faticos weren't only second in power to the Vario crew in that neighborhood. I get the Gotti hate. But give me a break. The McBratney hit really WAS a favor to Carlo. To say that he wouldn't have gotten his button is absurd, and I'm no Gotti supporter. I've been very clear about that over the years. The Westside guys who I grew up around couldn't stand him. But what's right is right. He was getting his button, no ifs, ands or buts. And keep this in mind: If Paul was so dead set against John getting made, then why did he make Genie BEFORE he made John?. All that accomplishes is making John stronger. And it's not like Paul was stupid. He was a little naive about creating factions, but he wasn't a dumb man.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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03/24/15 01:15 PM
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I agree. People make gotti out to be some saint or something. Or a "real" gangster. The guy was parading around the streets basically telling everybody he was the boss by the way he attracted attention. He was by no means a "real" gangster. Just because he was stupid enough to bad mouth his loyal(I guess you could call him that) underboss and he didn't flip after he was ratted on doesn't mean anything.
Agreed. Lets face it without Neil Dallacroce Gotti most likely would have never gotten made. Neil as respected a mobster as he was wasnt exactly the smartest gangster. He was a street thug similar to gotti and thats probably the reason that carlo didnt want him to be boss I think you are exactly right, gotti was dellacroce's man. and without neil, gotti was toast.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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The McBratney hit really WAS a favor to Carlo.
But was McBratney involved in the kidnapping/murder of Gambino's nephew? The ringleader, somebody named Robert Senter, was never hit and served his prison sentence without problem, as far as I know. Did Gambino genuinely believe it was all McBratney's fault and Senter did take the wrong rap? Some guys end up dead. And then there are some guys walking around that make you scratch your head and ask yourself how they're still breathing. I really can't explain it any better than that. It's a fucked up life where you can get killed by accident. Conversely, there are guys who fucked people all their lives and nothing happens. It's a dangerous game.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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03/24/15 02:12 PM
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I agree. People make gotti out to be some saint or something. Or a "real" gangster. The guy was parading around the streets basically telling everybody he was the boss by the way he attracted attention. He was by no means a "real" gangster. Just because he was stupid enough to bad mouth his loyal(I guess you could call him that) underboss and he didn't flip after he was ratted on doesn't mean anything.
Agreed. Lets face it without Neil Dallacroce Gotti most likely would have never gotten made. Neil as respected a mobster as he was wasnt exactly the smartest gangster. He was a street thug similar to gotti and thats probably the reason that carlo didnt want him to be boss I think you are exactly right, gotti was dellacroce's man. and without neil, gotti was toast. I guess you never heard of the Faticos in Idaho, huh?
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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03/24/15 02:35 PM
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The same can be said about Chin, with Vito Genovese he wouldn't gotten as far.
that maybe true however the chin proved to be a very crafty boss. Secondly im sorry but he was never scared of gotti I'd imagine both were wary of each other, after all they both had an army of killers. im not disputing gotti wasnt a tough guy because he was BUT he wasnt fearless of everyone. Demeo and casso scared the shit out if him. Even big paul at the height of his power made gotti nervous when he ordered him to meetings
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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The same can be said about Chin, with Vito Genovese he wouldn't gotten as far. Chin was closer to Benny Squint than he ever was to Genovese. Popping Frank Costello isn't what got him the Village Crew. It was his tremendous earning ability, just like it is with everyone else. And if he wasn't so close to Benny, all bets would have been off after Vito died.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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for christsakes i was being sarcastic when i said gotti wouldnt have gotten made. My point was he wouldnt have gotten as far without neil I know that, JC. My post about that Faticos wasn't directed at you  .
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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The same can be said about Chin, with Vito Genovese he wouldn't gotten as far.
that maybe true however the chin proved to be a very crafty boss. Secondly im sorry but he was never scared of gotti I'd imagine both were wary of each other, after all they both had an army of killers. im not disputing gotti wasnt a tough guy because he was BUT he wasnt fearless of everyone. Demeo and casso scared the shit out if him. Even big paul at the height of his power made gotti nervous when he ordered him to meetings 'Even Big Paul' Your talking like Paul was a fairy. He was arguably the most powerful mob boss in the country, who the fuck wouldn't be nervous when Big Paul had a legitimate beef with him? Only a psychopath (like Casso) wouldn't be fearful in Gotti's postion.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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for christsakes i was being sarcastic when i said gotti wouldnt have gotten made. My point was he wouldnt have gotten as far without neil I know that, JC. My post about that Faticos wasn't directed at you  . my post wasnt directed at you either
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