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paul castellano hit #800258 09/04/14 02:26 AM 09/04/14 02:26 AM
Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 62 D DiMaggio OP Button
DiMaggio OP D Button Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 62	I know we've covered weather Castellano was gangster enough before and Im familiar with most of his documented criminal history including as far back as his 1934 Connecticut arrest following the bungled robbery, but I recently come across a story of him and Carlo Gambino beating a man to death with a baseball bat in 1933. The story has it that they killed a man .....? Ardino (Arduino??) who was a bootlegger infringing on Manganos rackets and it was paulie who was the one to go to bat on the guy, suitably impressing Vincent Mangano. This is the first time I've come across information about Castellano or even Gambino being personally involved in a killing. Anyone else have any info or heard about this previously?

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #800268 09/04/14 04:15 AM 09/04/14 04:15 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,098 J JCrusher Underboss
JCrusher J Underboss Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,098	I think people have the wrong impression of Castellano. Sure its true he wasnt a street guy and was a "white collar criminal". However the guy had a bad temper and ordered more deaths than most bosses during his era. He ordered a guy dead just because the guy said he resembled Frank Perdue lol. I have also read some sories that Paul would order Gotti to a sitdown and Gotti would be pretty nervous about going. I havent heard about him being involved in a killing but he did commit robberies as a kid and went to jail when he refused to rat Last edited by JCrusher; 09/04/14 04:19 AM.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #800323 09/04/14 10:53 AM 09/04/14 10:53 AM
Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 3,534 Alabama D dixiemafia ROLL TIDE!!!!!
dixiemafia ROLL TIDE!!!!! D Underboss Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 3,534 Alabama	I still think both have killed folks, Gambino was a sneaky bastard his whole life and it would be rare to get to the top without getting your hands dirty somewhere along the line. Now by the time he became boss yes I agree Big Paul totally changed as he was trying to turn them legitimate in a way. But during the bootlegging days and shortly there after I think Paul and Carlo both were into major shit and both got dirty when they needed to.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #800329 09/04/14 11:03 AM 09/04/14 11:03 AM
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 461 CleanBandit Capo
CleanBandit Capo Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 461	Wasn't Carlo Gambino one of the alleged shooters of Joe Masseria?

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #800338 09/04/14 11:11 AM 09/04/14 11:11 AM
Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,544 Kokomo B Beanshooter Underboss
Beanshooter B Underboss Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,544 Kokomo	No, I though it was Bugsy, Vito, Joe Adonis and Anastasia

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #821764 01/02/15 06:10 PM 01/02/15 06:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 889 North Jersey ItalianIrishMix Underboss
ItalianIrishMix Underboss Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 889 North Jersey	I remember reading about how Gotti said to Scarfo, "I want you to know Nick that, I did this the right way!", implying that he got commission approval for the hit. Now, if Gotti was telling the truth, who voted how? The only obvious one to disagree seemed to be Gigante. 1985 Bosses: Gigante: Voted NO.....Also wonder if Benny Squint had any input Rastelli (aka Massino's voice): Probably said yes because he was BFF with John in 1985 Persico: I have no clue.... I do know that he was the ONLY one to vote NO for the Galante hit though. Corallo: I have no clue BUT, have read that Casso apparently supported the hit and only denied it later on when asked......Someone also recently posted about Persico's close affiliation with Casso AND how they and their wives would go upstate together. Scarfo: It appears that Gotti left Nick out of this decision Accardo: I have no clue Has anyone heard any concrete stuff on this topic?

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #821876 01/03/15 12:42 PM 01/03/15 12:42 PM
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 3,021 far, northwest Binnie_Coll Underboss
Binnie_Coll Underboss Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 3,021 far, northwest	if he didn't get the majority of the bosses approval, then he was not a legitimate boss. a lot of people feel he wasn't. the most vocal being gigante. " watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: Binnie_Coll] #821877 01/03/15 12:43 PM 01/03/15 12:43 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck pizzaboy The Fuckin Doctor
pizzaboy The Fuckin Doctor Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck	Maybe the cops killed this Paul. "I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: pizzaboy] #821879 01/03/15 12:48 PM 01/03/15 12:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 840 F funkster Underboss
funkster F Underboss Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 840	Originally Posted By: pizzaboy Maybe the cops killed this Paul. Bingo. He was lying out of his ass.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: funkster] #821883 01/03/15 12:53 PM 01/03/15 12:53 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck pizzaboy The Fuckin Doctor
pizzaboy The Fuckin Doctor Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck	Originally Posted By: funkster Originally Posted By: pizzaboy Maybe the cops killed this Paul. Bingo. He was lying out of his ass. I ain't so dumb . "I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #821892 01/03/15 01:16 PM 01/03/15 01:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,841 S SinatraClub Underboss
SinatraClub S Underboss Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,841	Lol, Gotti did actually say that "maybe the cops killed him" statement. Based off that alone, it's obvious no one who had the authority approved that hit. It was family thing, and I think once it happened, the majority of the bosses just rolled with it, but were willing to follow Gigante's lead, as he ran the Commission at the time. Once once the bombing attempt failed and DeCiccio got it, I think Gigante just moved on. Probably knowing another dead mob boss wasn't good business during that time in NYC when LE really began to stick it to the families.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: SinatraClub] #821909 01/03/15 01:41 PM 01/03/15 01:41 PM
Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 2,188 B bronx Underboss
bronx B Underboss Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 2,188	after gotti went to prison the plot was still in play..no doubt about it

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #821941 01/03/15 03:39 PM 01/03/15 03:39 PM
Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 44 V vitovito Wiseguy
vitovito V Wiseguy Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 44	I think Casso was more a danger too Gotti, than Gigante was. He organised the car bomb, then whacked Lino, then Bobby Boriello. A few months earlier Casso attended Gotti jrs wedding. This guy was dangerous, sammy gravano refused to testify against casso! Didnt Bruno Indelicati also try and whack Gotti?

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: vitovito] #821944 01/03/15 03:43 PM 01/03/15 03:43 PM
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SinatraClub S Underboss Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,841	Originally Posted By: vitovito I think Casso was more a danger too Gotti, than Gigante was. He organised the car bomb, then whacked Lino, then Bobby Boriello. A few months earlier Casso attended Gotti jrs wedding. This guy was dangerous, sammy gravano refused to testify against casso! Didnt Bruno Indelicati also try and whack Gotti? Casso says he did the car bomb in cahoots with Gigante, knowing Gigante felt Gotti had violated Cosa Nostra rule by killing a boss. The other killings were mostly in response to that attempt as Gotti found out and sent Hydell & Co. to kill Casso. Never heard of the Bruno Idelicato thing.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #821945 01/03/15 03:44 PM 01/03/15 03:44 PM
Joined: May 2014 Posts: 778 Castellammare del Golfo Malandrino Underboss
Malandrino Underboss Joined: May 2014 Posts: 778 Castellammare del Golfo	What's this I hear about Sammy refusing to testify against Casso? How's that possible? Didn't Casso flip like a year or two later anyway? -I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen... -Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #821950 01/03/15 04:01 PM 01/03/15 04:01 PM
Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 840 F funkster Underboss
funkster F Underboss Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 840	I think Chin was pulling the strings. PB and those guys would know more, but I really think this is the case. Don't think Casso was the brains behind it.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #821957 01/03/15 04:10 PM 01/03/15 04:10 PM
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 3,021 far, northwest Binnie_Coll Underboss
Binnie_Coll Underboss Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 3,021 far, northwest	I agree, gigante all the way. too bad he didn't get him. " watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #822240 01/05/15 10:49 AM 01/05/15 10:49 AM
Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 70 L LurkerGuy Button
LurkerGuy L Button Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 70	Originally Posted By: ItalianIrishMix I remember reading about how Gotti said to Scarfo, "I want you to know Nick that, I did this the right way!", implying that he got commission approval for the hit. Now, if Gotti was telling the truth, who voted how? The only obvious one to disagree seemed to be Gigante. 1985 Bosses: Gigante: Voted NO.....Also wonder if Benny Squint had any input Rastelli (aka Massino's voice): Probably said yes because he was BFF with John in 1985 Persico: I have no clue.... I do know that he was the ONLY one to vote NO for the Galante hit though. Corallo: I have no clue BUT, have read that Casso apparently supported the hit and only denied it later on when asked......Someone also recently posted about Persico's close affiliation with Casso AND how they and their wives would go upstate together. Scarfo: It appears that Gotti left Nick out of this decision Accardo: I have no clue Has anyone heard any concrete stuff on this topic? Gotti's co-conspirators spoke to Casso and Amuso, as well as Genny Lang from the Colombos (who was tight with Angelo Ruggiero). The Genovese weren't consulted at all; the Bonnanos had no vote on the Commission until the Gotti period, but Big Joey may have known beforehand.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: SinatraClub] #822241 01/05/15 10:51 AM 01/05/15 10:51 AM
Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 70 L LurkerGuy Button
LurkerGuy L Button Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 70	Originally Posted By: SinatraClub Originally Posted By: vitovito I think Casso was more a danger too Gotti, than Gigante was. He organised the car bomb, then whacked Lino, then Bobby Boriello. A few months earlier Casso attended Gotti jrs wedding. This guy was dangerous, sammy gravano refused to testify against casso! Didnt Bruno Indelicati also try and whack Gotti? Casso says he did the car bomb in cahoots with Gigante, knowing Gigante felt Gotti had violated Cosa Nostra rule by killing a boss. The other killings were mostly in response to that attempt as Gotti found out and sent Hydell & Co. to kill Casso. Never heard of the Bruno Idelicato thing. I've always read that Hydell and company were killed due to Casso's beef with Mickey Boy Paradiso.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: pizzaboy] #822263 01/05/15 01:26 PM 01/05/15 01:26 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,678 DiLorenzo Underboss
DiLorenzo Underboss Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,678	Originally Posted By: pizzaboy Maybe the cops killed this Paul. Which raises an interesting question...How does the prosecution tell the jury ''everything they say in that room is true except that line about castellano, that one we know he's lying about'' And it was the Castellano murder that buried him right ??

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #822265 01/05/15 01:35 PM 01/05/15 01:35 PM
Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 70 L LurkerGuy Button
LurkerGuy L Button Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 70	No. Gotti was doomed either way. They had him on three other murders due to wiretap evidence, along with all the other typical racketeering stuff. The Castellano hit wasn't even part of the original indictment, it was a way to throw the Southern District of NY a bone in what was an Eastern District case.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: LurkerGuy] #822269 01/05/15 01:37 PM 01/05/15 01:37 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,678 DiLorenzo Underboss
DiLorenzo Underboss Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,678	Originally Posted By: LurkerGuy No. Gotti was doomed either way. They had him on three other murders due to wiretap evidence, along with all the other typical racketeering stuff. The Castellano hit wasn't even part of the original indictment, it was a way to throw the Southern District of NY a bone in what was an Eastern District case. Oh yeah, the DiBi and Dibono wiretaps ?? I stand corrected...Good job LG !!

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: LurkerGuy] #822540 01/06/15 05:15 PM 01/06/15 05:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 889 North Jersey ItalianIrishMix Underboss
ItalianIrishMix Underboss Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 889 North Jersey	Originally Posted By: LurkerGuy Gotti's co-conspirators spoke to Casso and Amuso, as well as Genny Lang from the Colombos (who was tight with Angelo Ruggiero). The Genovese weren't consulted at all; the Bonnanos had no vote on the Commission until the Gotti period, but Big Joey may have known beforehand. Thanks LurkerGuy

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #822781 01/08/15 05:48 AM 01/08/15 05:48 AM
Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,841 S SinatraClub Underboss
SinatraClub S Underboss Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,841	If Gotti had all those guys contacted, except the Genovese, why'd he continue to cover his ass? Wouldn't he then have the majority of the Commission vote, with the Lucchese's and Colombo's siding with him against the Chin? Bonanno's had no say anyway, so Massino's thought didn't matter. We know the Lucchese's sided with Gigante when he wanted Gotti hit, and even participated. The Colombos had they're own problems, but I just dont see why Amuso and Casso would be for the Castellano hit, only to pussy out when it got deep and someone had to pay. They knew who the real boss was, why not tell Chin to screw himself and hit him on one of his public walks later on down the line.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #822786 01/08/15 06:20 AM 01/08/15 06:20 AM
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LurkerGuy L Button Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 70	Amuso wasn't the boss during either the Castellano or DeCicco killings; Corallo was still free and in charge.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: LurkerGuy] #822788 01/08/15 06:32 AM 01/08/15 06:32 AM
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NickyWhip Capo Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 294 Merica	True true. But, it's a very tight timeline at this point. Either Corallo okayed the Gotti Hit, or he couldn't care less because he knew he was going to jail. Originally Posted By: LurkerGuy Amuso wasn't the boss during either the Castellano or DeCicco killings; Corallo was still free and in charge. Boss of tha toilet!

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #822791 01/08/15 06:42 AM 01/08/15 06:42 AM
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LurkerGuy L Button Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 70	Wouldn't surprise me either way; Tony Ducks supposedly despised Gotti. I don't think Gotti expected a move so fast, I think he was planning on Gigante acting through the Commission and tried to use the other families to sideline him.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #822792 01/08/15 06:45 AM 01/08/15 06:45 AM
Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,841 S SinatraClub Underboss
SinatraClub S Underboss Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,841	As said, the timeline is tight. And everything I've read says Gigante went to Amuso and Casso and told them to plan the hit. The implication is they were running things at the time, some sources say Corallo had already chosen Amuso as his sucessor before he was convicted because of his closeness to Christie Tick. I dont know how that coincides with the Buddy Luongo hit, as D'Arco claims thats who Corallo really wanted to be his successor but Amuso and Casso had him killed.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #822794 01/08/15 06:50 AM 01/08/15 06:50 AM
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LurkerGuy L Button Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 70	Not that tight. Castellano was killed in December 85, DeCicco in April 86. The trial didn't even begin until September of 86.

Re: paul castellano hit [Re: DiMaggio] #822799 01/08/15 07:03 AM 01/08/15 07:03 AM
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LurkerGuy L Button Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 70	According to Raab, the hit was planned one month after Castellano's killing. Chin didn't meet with the dynamic duo, he met with Tony Ducks and then Christy Tick filled the two in after.

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