Was he made or not? And are Demeo crew members associates of Gambinos?

Also,who was the shooter of DeMeo murder?

im just finishing { murder machine} for the second time yes he was made by the gambinos. the shooters were joey testa, Anthony senter, senter putting the final bullets in his head.

He was made in late '77 by Paul Castellano.His crew members were all associotes,they weren't made guys.He was in Gaggi's crew from '66.

Joey testa and anthony senter were made into the lucchese family

Demeo was killed at patty testa's house by the Gemini twins

Im convinced Roy knew exactly what he was walking in to

Question, Is it true or false that big Paul first gave the contract to john and gene Gotti to whack demeo and They turnt Paul down because they feared going to war with a crew full of serial killers?

Gotti supposedly met with DeMeo on some pretext to feel out whether or not he'd be able to kill him. Gotti, so the rumor goes, didn't think he could pull it off.

DeMeo, for his part, knew he was in deep shit and was said to be carrying a sawed-off 12 ga around with him for protection.

Apparently, Roy had worked out a plan to fake his death with son Albert. Too bad Roy didn't put that plan into action earlier.

have the book " murder machine" right in my hand. page 348. it says he was lured to patty testa garage quote, "after roy took off the black leather jacket he was wearing. nino pulled out a handgun and began firing at his head he was hit seven times in all" he was already dead when testa and senter put a bullet behind each ear. I thought it was the Gemini twins myself, but, the book says nino. vinny carbone.. it was offered to gotti and he did turn it down, he didn't want a war with demeos crew.

that's exactly what it says in the book, " murder machine"

I thought it had been established that Gaggi wasn't involved in DeMeo's murder and that it was Anthony Cassso who arranged it.

Iceman999 im just going by what I read in { murder machine} this was 1983 was casso powerful then. murder machine is a great read.

The way Murder Machine was written, you get the idea that the Gemini Twins are the sources for many of the tales therein. But even if that is the case, we don't know what the real truth is. Stories are often invented to protect the real killers, as murder has no statute of limitations. One thing is for certain, even if Casso orchestrated the hit, he could not kill a made Gambino without Big Paul's approval. So I think everyone can agree that Big Paul killed Roy Demeo, if nothing else. And that was Paul's style, something Sammy the Bull hated about him....he'd have people from other families kill Gambinos.

I believe Casso claimed to have participated in the DeMeo murder, this according to his biographer Phillip Carlo in his Gaspipe: Confessions of a Mafia Boss.

Personally, I don't see why Casso would claim to have participated in this murder if he actually didn't, as he really doesn't have anything to gain or lose at this point.

Murder Machine is a Mafia "must read" imo.

As for Gaggi, I believe, as someone had previously stated in another DeMeo related thread here, that the authors assumed, given the information they had at the time, that Gaggi was the triggerman, but that subsequent information provided by Casso in his book confirmed that Casso was given the order to kill DeMeo, which, along with the Gemini Twins who he was now in control of, he then planned and executed.

I agree - Murder Machine is the best story/bio type mafia book

The Iceman killed Demeo..

iceman, if you don't believe the book { murder machine} you have to take that up with jerry capeci who, along with gene mustain, who wrote the book.

iceman, if you don't believe the book { murder machine} you have to take that up with jerry capeci who, along with gene mustain, who wrote the book.

Each to their own opinion.
I tend to believe the Casso version about Roy going to Pattys house and when seated ready to receive coffee got shot down by Joey + Anthony

When Murder Machine was written and revised the Casso book still hadn't come out. It was a fair assumption on the part of the book's authors to assume that Gaggi, given his close association with DeMeo, would have been the obvious triggerman. Casso, in his biography. states he told the Twins either kill DeMeo and come and work for him, or he, Casso, would kill them.

I find it hard to believe that Gotti was afraid of DeMeo. He whacked a boss without commission approval but he was afraid of DeMeo, im not buying that.

He didn't personally whack Big Paul. He stood by and watched the hit take place, but he didn't pull the trigger.

Gotti, I believe, was overheard on tape saying that the DeMeo crew killed more people before breakfast than than they, the Gotti crew, had ever killed.

Also, consider DeMeo's body count. The man was an accomplished killer and butcher. A fact that, no doubt, weighed heavily on Gotti's decision not to try and take on DeMeo himself.

Thats my point.. Gotti planned the hit on Castellano and he knew the repercussions could of been MUCH worse than if he killed DeMeo.
Gotti may have been caught on a wire expressing his view on DeMeo but that certainly doesnt mean he was a afraid of him.

he had permission from every family but two. and Gene made it pretty clear that John had no interest in taking the contract on Roy.

Belmont, when we read the book Murder Machine, we were told that the "Demeo Crew" was just a few people. Roy Demeo and a few debilitated young coked out dope heads. But I don't believe that we know the whole story. Supposedly John Gotti said that Demeo had an "army of killers" and that he didn't want to cross paths with them. Then we go through other mob lore and find out that John Carneglia might have been part of Roy Demeo's murder machine. Kuklinski passed by the Demeo crew club house. Was the complete Demeo crew busted or did some get away. I think some got away.

In a match up between the Gotti brothers and Roy Demeo's paltry little crew (as described by Capeci and Mustain's book), there would be no contest. But this is assuming Roy had that paltry little crew and nothing more.

The Gemini Lounge was a police hang out. Think about that. Everything they did, the cop cars were always out front and cops were in the bar. They did the killing in the apartment in the back. Do we know everything about Roy Demeo? I don't think so.

Let's not forget the Jimmy Coonan, who, as we know, owed DeMeo for killing Spillane and "opening the door" for them to work with the Gambino Family.

Gotti killing or even attempting to kill DeMeo could have stared a Gambino civil war, which is why I think Big Paul got someone outside his family to kill DeMeo.

You r right,tge were probably guys that dominick montiglio didn't know,and that the cops didn't catch.Carlo profetta was one.Even patty testa wasn't cought at rhe time gemini crew was on trial.The thing was that Paul wanted John to do it,and John coulnd't.John killed less than 10 people,he and his crew coulnd't get close enough to Roy at that time.

And you might be righr about carneglia,because the brother had a big chop shop,they dealt with cars,murder and drugs just like Roy Demeo.So it's posible that Carneglia's were closley conected to Demeo crew.I know for a fact that the Dinome brothers were in buisness with them,real tight.And not much is know about Richard Dinome,but he was a crazy MF,made a lot of money too.

I wasn't making it up but I read it somewhere about one of the Carneglia's having a possible connection to Roy Demeo. It might have been Charles Carneglia.