Ive never read nor heard anything to suggest that he would have flipped, just an uneducated guess on my part

pizza boy, in the book "murder machine" walter mack, the head prosecutor didn't have enough on paul to convict him with the demeo crew to the car theft ring, and the star stoolie montiglio could not testify that castellano received any cash from the demeo crew regarding the stolen cars going to Kuwait.

yeah but they had Paul's house bugged just a couple years later where he was picked up talking family business, bad mouthing all the other bosses, talking about his penile implant and carrying on an affair with his maid. he was going down with the rest of them.

between those really embarrassing things, being rich legitimately and having spent a considerable amount of less time on the street and in most cases in prison than the others that were on trial.

You didn't answer my question. I referenced the Commission case. I agree that they didn't have shit on him in the car theft ring. But it's the Commission trial that would have put him inside for life.

Paul would have been convicted via the RICO Act for his participation in the Concrete Club.

yeah, youre right, I thought you were referring to the demeo problem. im reading "five families" right now, and raab goes into the commission case and, yeah he would have went down. my bad, but I got an excuse. hell, im no spring chicken.

in the car case was paul named as the enterprise along with the gambino family? if so they did not need to put $s in his hand just establish co conspirator to rico..20 years if found guilty

Bronx, in reading { murder machine} I don't think they filed a rico case, henry Borelli got a ton of time for it. the Gemini twins didn't go down for that case I don't believe, and they didn't have much on castellano. the prosecuters knew they had a weak case on him. montiglio was their prize witness, and he really couldn't tie paul into the car case.

thank you b coll...

How many hits you think roy demeo did himself over 50 hits some say and how many you think his crew did over 200 maybe ?

I always felt the assumption that the DeMeo crew killed close to 200 people was terribly exaggerated and ridiculous. I think someone added an extra zero for the sake of sensationalism. I say no way in hell.

yeah i think maybe 50 to 70 hits its about tens years they was doing right ? demeo did say he done over 50 hits or near to it

200 is exaggerated but 75 is probably more accuarate. Thats still a lot and a big reason guys like gotti was scared of him

I think Ivy posted a list of the documented DeMeo crew hits. It was around 60, that they know are for sure. I have to imagine there were more hits we don't know about. I could see it around 75 or so. Which is insane.. Just putting peoples lights out with a complete disregard is just crazy.

yes, demeos crew were nothing but serial killers, as was demeo himself. capeci who wrote murder machine put the killings at close to 200, in the book the prosecutor { walter mack} told the judge 75 to 100 and there were many more, there were senseless murders going on for years.

That's true binnie,real serial killers.No regard to human life,very sad.I saw a great pic of roy,its a cartoon.Roy in a apren,with a knife and meat cleaver all bloody.Thats how i imagine him

I always imagined a commercial with Roy and his crew for their own brand of marinara sauce where it's being bottled out the bodies he's bleeding out in the bathroom.If I had the money I'd film it myself

That's the picture,nice find ice.Hora hotel

Really interesting bit of DeMeo trivia is how he got appointed to the board of directors of a bank. One can only imagine what the board meetings must have been like.

About Roy's stolen car ring. How much money was it generating?

He made a tremendous amount of money with cars. Back then they were called "tag jobs." DeMeo also was able to procure blank titles. Try doing that shit today, its very difficult.
The good old days; now computers and camera's kill everything,

Would that be the Brooklyn credit union?

My take on the Demeo crew body count is that 75-100 seems plausible. The 200 figure was no doubt supped up for book sales.

As for Roys car ring - wasn't it generating something like 5 or $600,000 a month?

gary h. in reading of murder machine. yes, when demeo made that connection in Kuwait that took his stolen cars, he was really making a lot. it could be even more than you suggested. that's what kept him alive, I think castello wanted to clip him, but, he was kicking up to paul, and he took the money and looked the other way no matter what demeos crew was doing. the body count remains unknown. in the car theft trial the prosecutor told the judge [ we know of 75 we can attest to your honor, but there are many, many more.]

I know many people on this forum are impressed with Demeo's earnings and whatnot, but I sort of agree with Paul Castellano's view that Roy was not a good choice to be made.

Even a scheme based on stealing tons of cars a day was bound to go bust sooner or later. Guys like Roy burn bright but don't last. He was actually very sloppy and unintelligent as evidenced by some of the unsanctioned murders he did, like the kid he blasted in his car, or the young salesman he chased cause he thought the Cubans were coming.

Roy was no good and trouble from the beginning. Castellano's main mistake was capitulating to Nino's nagging and finally making Roy. Evidence of that is that the indictment for the car theft ring was tied right back to Castellano from Roy. Paul Castellano, leader of a car theft conspiracy? How unbelievably embarassing for a Boss like Paul. If they would have waited longer, Roy would have been dead or in jail and never a made member. They just needed to wait out the nagging. Plus him being made might have made it harder to control his killing and protect the public from him.

At one point Roy tried to prove his worth by bringing the Westies under big Paul's umbrella, but eventually even that proved to be a bad idea and a hassle Big Paul could do without.

Another Question:

I once startet a treath where I asked: Was Roy DeMeo or a Soldier at the time of his death?

Someone wrote, that he was the Acting-Capo of Nino Gaggis Crew. I read Unterboss, and Maas/Gravano wrote something about "Nino Gaggis Crew, Roy DeMeos Crew".

2 Different Crews or did they mean DeMeo´s group of serial-killers?

sorry, I received some good questions: http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=771131&page=1

He was only a Soldier a Good Earner And Killer Read THE Book murder Machine A Good READ

Yeah, unbeliefable:

DeMeo -> Good Earner, good Killer
Gotti -> No good earner, (no Killer?)

Unbeliefable, that Gotti bacame Boss.

he was acting for a minute

just finishing the book [five families, by raab} great read.while casso didn't have the body count that demeo had, he was no doubt, a very disturbed individual, he was homicidal, paranoid, and as blood thirsty as anyone in the history of lcn. when corralo went away he had to have know this guy was poison. big mystery what tony ducks was thinking.

While Casso was probably always a psycho, on the show Manhattan Mob Rampage a Lucchese associate named Sal Clemente said Casso was much worse after the attempt on his life. He said something snapped in Casso's head after that time they shot him.

ok.......... thank you for that benny.