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Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #806944
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What was volpe thinking admitting the burglary happened to a grand jury.He'd bein around accardo for 40 yrs and came from Sicily surely he would know what happens to squealers

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why he got whacked he give the blueprint of Tony Accardo house to FBI plus he talked to much to the grand jury

Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #806949
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Yeah .I think he was under pressure from immigration they were threatening to deport him back to Sicily because of his naturalization status but deportation is better than death.

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Yeah for sure i bet the hit was a slow one like they did to Action Jackson but with it not being trunk music .

Re: Tony Accardo [Re: OC] #807038
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Originally Posted By: OC
What was volpe thinking admitting the burglary happened to a grand jury.He'd bein around accardo for 40 yrs and came from Sicily surely he would know what happens to squealers
o.c. I agree. theres something else going on here. perhaps youre right about the immigration thing. still, he should have known enough to clam up in front of a grand jury.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Tony Accardo [Re: OC] #807043
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Originally Posted By: OC
What was volpe thinking admitting the burglary happened to a grand jury.He'd bein around accardo for 40 yrs and came from Sicily surely he would know what happens to squealers
o.c. yeah, im with you. I don't figure a guy like him squawking to a grand jury. its got to be the immigration issue you brought up. still, he should have known better.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807044
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sorry about the double post when you guys get my age youll understand.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807045
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To true Binnie,whatever ya say say nothing 😉

Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807618
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Giancanna was an animal..
Bill Roemer


Their throats were slashed, their faces were burned off with torches, they were castrated and all found in the trunks of their cars...Everyone on both sides of the law had a grudging respect for Tony Accardo
Bill Roemer

uhwhat

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Re: Tony Accardo [Re: DiLorenzo] #807631
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Originally Posted By: DiLorenzo
Giancanna was an animal..
Bill Roemer


Their throats were slashed, their faces were burned off with torches, they were castrated and all found in the trunks of their cars...Everyone on both sides of the law had a grudging respect for Tony Accardo
Bill Roemer

uhwhat
roemer don't know what hes talking about. accardo ordered the murders, giancana had nothing to do with it. because of the way they were found roemer had a grudging respect for accardo. was roemer funny for accardo?



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807638
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Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807645
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thank you gary.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Tony Accardo [Re: Binnie_Coll] #807648
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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
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Giancanna was an animal..
Bill Roemer


Their throats were slashed, their faces were burned off with torches, they were castrated and all found in the trunks of their cars...Everyone on both sides of the law had a grudging respect for Tony Accardo
Bill Roemer

uhwhat
roemer don't know what hes talking about. accardo ordered the murders, giancana had nothing to do with it. because of the way they were found roemer had a grudging respect for accardo. was roemer funny for accardo?
Something was definitely up...This guy even went to a college university to vouch for Accardo's grandson...Had to be on accardo's payroll !!

Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807650
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yes, dilorenzo, I wanna see this roemer explain some things before he dies.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807652
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Roemer's been dead for almost twenty years.


"Snakes... Snakes... I don't know no Snakes."
Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807653
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He died already...

Its funny, the guy's that he didn't like...Giancanna and Milwaukee Phil he hounded and arrested...But not the guy he called the real boss !!!

Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807657
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dilorenzo I didn't know he died but, now the truth might come out. anxious to hear it. maybe a book coming out.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807661
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William Roemer died in 1996. Be careful about believing everything in Roemer's book about Accardo. Some things are supported by other agents, newspaper reports, etc., etc., and have credibility. But there are other statements, stories, that are very questionable. Several mistakes relative to people, places and things
have been noted.

Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807745
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I don't really care for his books gary,just for the reasons you mentioned. but, dilorenzo and I agree he was to close to accardo, to be on the up and up.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807756
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As I've said in other posts the way roemer spoke of joe batters is almost as disgusting as Carlo talkin about poor ole Anthony casso. Unreal of the romantic spin that could be attested to serial killers

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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I don't really care for his books gary,just for the reasons you mentioned. but, dilorenzo and I agree he was to close to accardo, to be on the up and up.


Nothing would surprise me with these guys. But I've never found anything that says Accardo was a snitch. It doesn't mean he wasn't, just that I haven't found anything. It was somewhat strange. Some people have said Accardo was trying to find out what Roemer knew relative to the Outfit goings-on. But who knows with these characters.

Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807811
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Roemer sent a letter on behalf of Accardos grandson Eric Kumerow, to the NFL saying that they shouldn't hold prejudice against him in the NFL draft. He was an all-state quarterback turned linebacker drafted by Miami later traded to the Bears. Injuries cut his career short.

Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807871
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how many mafia members did roemer actually arrest?

Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807905
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cook county, great question. I have no idea.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807918
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Roemer starts his book on Accardo with the jewelry heist story, including all the gruesome murders done on behalf of Joe Batters. He didn't paint Accardo as a saint, not at all. It was the first substantial book I read about Accordo en I never got the impression that he was a nice guy or even not a ruthless murderer. I half remember him also writing that Accardo had made a plan to have his legs broken or something like that, after he retired from the FBI.
It's just that the contrast with guys like Alderisio, Fifi Bucieri, Mad Sam and Giancani was rather big. He certainly disliked swaggering mobsters as those guys were, and especially with Giancana it seemed to be a personal/ego thing.
The guys I remember as being the 'nice' guys from his books are guys like Gussie Alex and Murray Humphreys. I don't remember them being associated with too much violence in the years he writes about, but it's been a while ago since I read his books.

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Where did Accardo stand at that point? Was he just an influencial person to the Outfit? Or did he still call shots? Its incredible to think he could order murders to be that cruel, and then you see him testifying 7 years later and he looks like a gentle, brittle, hard of hearing old man. Crazy.

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Accardo was always influential (IMO). He was so well insulated that law enforcement just couldn't make anything stick. As far as the burglary, I can't imagine he didn't give the go ahead to have these people killed, some of whom probably had no involvement. None of these top echelon guys could afford to have someone violate their living quarters and not take some type action. To do so would reflect a serious weakness. My guess is the same fate would have resulted if the break-in had occurred at some of the other homes of high ranking Outfit members.

If you're talking about the 70's, Accardo was obviously a shot caller. There were a number of Outfit members who made decisions relative to business dealings. Who did what is difficult to say, but no doubt Accardo was in the upper tier of the Outfit (IMO).

FBI surveillance reports indicate that he was still very much involved until the mid to late 1980's. I'm not sure how many shots he called, but he would probably have no problem getting something done if he chose to do so. He was very rich and for the most part, retired. He was also very, very sick.

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Re: Tony Accardo [Re: rickydelta] #807934
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gary martin, you mean physically sick, or mentally sick. he certainly seemed demented the way he had those people who stole from him, tortured and their throats cut. im sure that was when his true colors came out.



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I'm not sure about Accardo's mental state, but he certainly was in very poor physical shape. My opinion is that Accardo didn't give a flip how these guys were killed. He was a cold-blooded killer just like most of the other Outfit members. He was sending a message and making a point.

Accardo had no personal involvement (IMO) in these murders. He was probably 3-4 X out of the decision ( he told someone who told someone, etc.) Again, well insulated by some of the most hard-core Outfit men. Yes, the true colors come out and people die. This is how OC works.

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Well Said Garymartin i really enjoy Roamers Books he was there and meet must of them and he Heard them on FBI bugs And most of them FBI files we read now was done by Roamer and his FBI unit he was a top guy really help get rid of the chicago outfit and stop there operations and made the public know about them in the papers he was fascinated by them like all of us on this site and his favs was Accardo and Curly and Gus ALEX and Jackie Cerone he know what they did and tried to put them prison his knowledge and info did help put a lot of outfit members in prison i respect him for that .

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