Few questions I'll try to answer here for those interested, although it would appear my credibility is in some doubt, so take it for whatever you think its worth.

First off - is the rash of violence abating? It would seem so, finally. What's significant is that the internal violence seems to have stopped, but there is still violence being directed outwardly. This summer they hit Ducarme Joseph, a street gang leader who may have been responsible for the hit on Nick Jr., so I would say it seems the internal warfare is over for the most part.

As for charts -- I could take a stab at one but I suck at photoshop, etc. so I don't know how I would do that. Also, you'd probably only be able to get photos for like 15-20 guys at most I think.

Scarcella is indeed the family's Toronto capo. Scales is right, Scarcella was Paul the Fox's driver when Volpe was operating Toronto as a capo for the Magaddino family.

With the weakening of the Magaddinos, the Rizzutos expanded west in the late 80's and early 90's and took over the Volpe crew as well as filling the vacuum on the west coast created when Joe Gentile (my handle namesake) fled the country and went back to Italy in 1976. Two powerful brothers represented the Rizzutos out on the West Coast after that, the Papalia twins, Roberto and Tony.

The finishing touch was the rub out of Johnny Papalia in Hamilton (no relation to the twins) in 1997, who like Volpe started out as another Magaddino capo but by the late 90's was more or less independent. Not much left of the Hamilton family today from my understanding, and whatever is left of it would be under Scarcella's umbrella.

Since 1997 Rizzutos have controlled all Cosa Nostra activity in Canada. Unlike the US however, LCN never absorbed the Ndrangheta, mainly in Toronto which is possibly even stronger than the Rizzutos in financial terms. Less street guys and more international brokering/smuggling that just happens to be based in Canada.

Canada is, sadly, a great place for these guys to set up shop. Even known criminals can get by Canadian immigration, we can't do surveillance on them the way the Americans can, and our justice system just downright sucks.

Sorry I'm not better at providing sources for this stuff, I've been following these things for 20 years and a lot of this is stuff I've heard from people in journalism and other areas, but as I've said before you can take me at my word, filter it for what you want or call bullshit altogether -- I got thick skin and couldn't care less.

Hope it helps someone.

Joe,

You have some good points but there is some things I do not agree with. I can tell you from being born and raised here in Hamilton that whatever is left here and there is quite a bit here from the Musitano's to Dom Italiano boys to all the biker's and none of the above answer to Scarcella.

Apologies Scalish, I was aware of the Musitanos but was under the impression they were a Ndrine rather than LCN. I always consider the two similar but separate, but if the Musitanos are LCN I stand corrected.

Can't honestly say I know too much about your neck of the woods, I've lived in Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and New York so almost everywhere I've been I have been amazed at the varying levels of mafia corruption and how it really does trickle down to daily life for ordinary people, but I have never even been to Hamilton and can't say my knowledge there is anything more than cursory.

Good to know though.

No need to apologize my friend, you have some good info keep it up and by the way welcome to the board.

I too would like to welcome you to the board Joe. I don’t post much but i like to read up on the Mtl news and you’ve provided some welcomed insight. I have no clue jus how many “made” men there may be up here. But associates are plenty.If you’re from the east end…. It seems everybody knows somebody, if you get my drift. Because of this, the Mtl family continues to clean or launder their money through such associates with legitimate businesses. Whoever’s in charge is probably focusing on getting back to business.

So just curious on the Musitano's. From what I'd read, it appeared that they were considered to be behind the Papalia hit as well as that of his right hand man a while later (name escapes me). Did they have the backing of the Rizzuto's on that as part of a larger territory grab? Or was this more of a local move for power?

While I don't agree with the high number of made men as well, I'm just glad we have more GTA talk! I'm not from there but since I've learned about the Rizzuto's they have been a very interesting story to follow.

Isn't the Desjardins trial coming up around March or April?

From what was told was that they were behind the Papalia murder they served time for it, the hitmen they hired for it Keith Murdock ended up ratting on them regarding this. It was 100% a local move for power and had nothing to do with Vito.

By the way the right hand man that was killed went by the name of Carmen Barillaro.

Stick around Joe. You're very knowledgeable about the Canadian organised crime scene and you have a good perspective!

His trial starts in mid March.

As one of the few Canadians on this board, it's definitely nice to see someone with a little more insider knowledge. Personally, I only know what I've read in the few books that have been printed on the Rizzutos, which in all honesty is pretty much nothing that isn't already common knowledge around these parts.

Are there any books that cover the Toronto factions?

Mob rule: Inside the Canadian mafia by James Dubro.

Thanks Scalish, just put in an order in on amazon

I like dthe book the 6ths family but its bullshit cause theres no such thing. the commission in new York never said there a family, unless the lcn in Italy granted them it. the guy mmd. they got there own problems. think it died with vito, actualy after his son a made guy was murder. I think he took out everyone involed and died a broken man. your dad gets whacked your son brother inlaw fuck that painfull. not anuff money in the world to relieve the pain.

They didn't need NYC's permission. If you listen to Sal and Massino they still answer to them.

The Sixth Family was just to show how powerful they were/are and it's still true. They have more pull (or did when Vito was alive) than most of the Five Families.

Like Dixie said, "The Sixth Family" is just a figure of speech, one that the author of the book came up with. I doubt the Rizzutos consider themselves the literal sixth family of new york.

Messina-Denaro had nothing to do with the Rizzuto's, if that's what you were trying to say (hard to tell).
The Rizzuto's were what was considered a super-clan, they didn't need NY to declare them a "family". They were technically under a Bonanno flag, but their ultimate loyalties lied with Cattolica Eraclea clans in Canada, South America and Sicily.

Their South American connections/interests are something that's not really mentioned too often. Very interesting.

No problem pal.

Carmela,

It was Nick Sr that married into it, was Nick's wife not a daughter of a very powerful man back in Sicily?

She was the daughter of Agrigento Province Don, Atonio Manno. Nick Sr's, I mean. I think Vito's wife was likewise Sicilian, but I'm not entirely sure about that.

That's the one thanks buddy.

Yes, Libertina Manno. Very powerful family. Became known as the Rizzuto-Manno-Cammilleri clan. Libertina was from Cattolica Eraclea as well.

She looks like a very strong women as well and must be lost a husband right in front of her a son and a grandson and son in law all in very short time and still standing.

Thanks for the info Carmela.

Not to split hairs, but Antonio was capo of Cattolica Eraclea, not the Godfather of entire Agrigento province.

Good stuff thanks.

Welcome to the board Joe. The purpose is to discuss and debate. I think it is part of what makes this enjoyable.

There are some threads on here about the Toronto Ndrine and how they operate independent of Montreal (just use the search for them). There are some knowledgeable folks on Canada who have also provided links to some good reports on them as well. They are a good read.

talking about hamilton...is the "siderno group" operating there one large outfit or just an umbrella term to describe several calabrian ndrines active south of toronto?

Just an umbrella from what I know.

Good catch Carmela, thanks.