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Re: Merlino was NOT powerful
[Re: NickyWhip]
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11/10/14 08:25 AM
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Merlino was very powerful in Philadelphia because he AND his gang were feared. But, it was territorial power. The Pagans have/had a ton a power in the city too; but they wield it at THEIR bars, clubs, neighborhoods. No one group controls philly.
Philly is a very small, city, when you start cutting up the territory. PHilly mob has ZERO clout in North Philly, West Philly, and Center City. So, that leaves south Philly. Which, has been overrun by asians and african americans.
And with respect to the Genovese backing: THey had no choice but to back Merlino. Manna wanted Gotti Dead; Gotti backed Stanfa. Genovese would back anyone but Stanfa.
So, he is a big fish in a small pond. I wouldn't want the guy knocking on my door, but you can't compare Philly LCN to NYC; that stopped in the 80s.
Outside of Philly, in the surrounding areas, you can be independent of the mob. It's done all the time. There is no more street tax, unless you are looking to become associated with the Mob and want their protection.
He was in his very early 30s when he came into power. Drunk at bars and clubs, taking peoples money from the bar, beating bookies, etc. People just had to deal with it because of who his father was, the reputation and actions of the Mob around that time, Plus, he was fucking nuts too. There were dead people turning up.
His first go at boss had very immature behavior. It was 20 years ago. That's all I know of him, having witnessed it, just like a lot of people his age who lived in that area at the time.
But, I'm sure he's not beating bookies and taking money from bars anymore. He has more sophisticated scams now involving old jewish guys.
I agree with what you said except all the construction and union jobs going on in center city Prime example of the lack of power regarding the philly mob is the fact that joe mastronardo had the biggest book in philly and of course it was up on the main line but, he allegedly didnt pay a tax to anyone in philly, and was maybe because he was backed by a NYC family, not sure on that, but he had a multi-million dollar book running just outside of s philly but as you said joey had his people that would die for him and keep quiet for him and still do to this day and that is some power and there is some major gang in south philly up near 20th street a black gang forgot their name but I guess they have really settled in there, which is something that would never have happened had there not been some sort of real mafia presence there
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Re: Merlino was NOT powerful
[Re: Blackjack2121]
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11/10/14 08:51 AM
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Sure, he isn't as powerful as an NY mob boss, but that is a different thread an an idiotic comparison. That's it right there. Power is a relative term. In his own circle, he was quite powerful. Outside of it, not so much. And you're right about threads like this. It's a geographical pissing contest waiting to happen (Philly vs. Jersey. Philly vs. New York, Italians vs. Bikers, etc.). That's why I tend to stay out of threads with the abbreviation vs. in the title  .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Merlino was NOT powerful
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11/10/14 04:42 PM
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PizzaBoy if its true what they say about you I no longer want to be your friend,LOL And here I thought you were gonna come to Delray in January and fire up the grill. Or better yet, we'll bring a hibachi over to Boca and set up shop outside Merlino's, assuming it's still open. Get your pretzels, chestnuts, peanuts in the shell. New York style. That joint's only like ten minutes from us. I'm so fucking retarded that I can't help but laugh out loud at myself sometimes .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Merlino was NOT powerful
[Re: Jimmy_Two_Times]
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11/11/14 08:26 AM
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Thanks for the insight Nicky... that was some good analysis. Nicky's a sharp poster, Jimmy. Levelheaded and objective.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Merlino was NOT powerful
[Re: Fleming_Ave]
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11/11/14 08:44 AM
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Maybe Merlino is not as powerful as a NY boss. So what? I would not fuck with him. Do you have to be as powerful as New York to kill someone? Being feared and being powerful are too entirely different things. The Son of Sam had a city of almost ten million people scared half to death. That doesn't mean that he was powerful or respected. I don't know why Merlino's supporters here get so bent out of shape when people say that he was "powerful" in his own city. Power is relative to your location. And in his locale (South Philadelphia), he was clearly in charge. Outside South Philly, not so much. Here's the litmus: He lives in Boca now, right? Other than conning a pathetic old man to front a liquor license for him, does anyone believe that he has influence down there? I mean real influence? I just don't see it, and here's why: There are a dozen New York guys living in proximity to the Boca-Delray area at least part time. Vinny Artuso's Gambino crew is very, very active down there (even though Vinny and Johnny are still away). The Westside has always had traditional rackets going on in South Florida. Hell, Tommy Farese (Colombo) lives in Delray pretty much full time now. Point is, Joey may be the boss of Philly. But when it comes to being the most powerful wiseguy in Florida, he's not even in the running. He's clearly the undisputed King of South Philly, and he's "powerful" there. There's nothing wrong with that. But he's a big fish in a small pond. That's not an insult, so I don't know why people take it as one.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Merlino was NOT powerful
[Re: domwoods74]
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11/11/14 09:18 AM
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Doesn't bonnano captain gerard chilli also have a powerful bonnano crew that operate in Florida also For years and years.
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Re: Merlino was NOT powerful
[Re: cheech]
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11/11/14 10:01 AM
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was his hangout a hotel back in the day? Mob guys love hotel bars  .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Merlino was NOT powerful
[Re: Crash]
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11/11/14 02:55 PM
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No matter how powerful the new york bosses are, even if you respect the guy enough not to cross him it's still respect, the genovese waited until after merlino was locked up to start talking about taking his rackets, if merlino was on the streets the thought wouldn't have crossed thier mind, and for all of the talk that mobsters don't want merlino in philly, he's still thier and no one layer a hand on him
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Re: Merlino was NOT powerful
[Re: thebigfella]
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11/11/14 02:59 PM
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I mean mobsters don't want merlino in florida Because he's not dumb enough to try to start anything up down there besides a restaurant that's doomed to fail anyway. And if you're seriously trying to imply that the Philly family could challenge the Genovese family in any way, shape or form, you're out of your fucking mind.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Merlino was NOT powerful
[Re: thebigfella]
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11/11/14 03:00 PM
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No mobster in the world wants a war with merlino, you can call it fear or respect but that's the truth Enough. If he lived in New York he would have been dead twenty fucking years ago. If he got shot in the head instead of his ass we wouldn't even be having this debate.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Merlino was NOT powerful
[Re: Crash]
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11/11/14 03:06 PM
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You could say the same thing about lucky Luciano when he got ambushed, and merlino do have a few guys in florida, one is doing some kind of a atm racket for him...sorry to say pizza but nobody's afraid of your precious little new york anymore, that ship has sailed
"McGurn likes you, so I make you. So you are now one of us, if you fuck up, we take it out on McGurn. He is your sponsor. Fuck up, it's his ass. You work in his crew, he is your capo."
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Re: Merlino was NOT powerful
[Re: thebigfella]
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11/11/14 03:12 PM
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You could say the same thing about lucky Luciano when he got ambushed, and merlino do have a few guys in florida, one is doing some kind of a atm racket for him...sorry to say pizza but nobody's afraid of your precious little new york anymore, that ship has sailed You see, the difference between you and me is that I couldn't give two shits if the New York mob fell apart tomorrow. I post objectively about things that I believe to be true about people I know something about. You post about a murderous little midget---who you don't even know---that you have a sick man crush on. Is that why you took the name Big Fella? Are you four feet tall yourself? And if there was still a commission merlino would have a seat at the table for sure, that's influence enough Don't you mean a high chair?
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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