When will Gene Gotti and John Carneglia be released?
They have been in the can now for close to 30 years!
I thought convicts only had to serve two thirds of there sentence to be awarded special parole! Do you think they will become active again once there out? The life as they know it,is pretty much gone! Anybody got any recent pics of them?

Cheers.

Been a long time for me for posting on these boards,
but I had a question to you guys about Gene Gotti which I didnt really understand.

What was the plea deal he had to refuse from John Gotti?
Was it something in the sense of asset forfeiture? Or admitting that the Gambino crime family existed?

Technically the plea would have called for Carneglia and Genie to admit the existence of the family. But at that point John was so batshit anti-government that he probably would have vetoed a deal that didn't even include an allocution.

For all of the criticism JG got for being too flashy, his biggest mistake as a boss was his failure to see that plea bargains were the future of the mob. The Genovese and Lucchese families were way out in front in that respect. Under their collective leadership, guys like Barney and Stevie have taken the plea bargain and made it an art form. It's one of the things allowing them to hang on.

Short version: It ain't 1950 anymore .

Binnie_coll
With all due respect, everyone thinks it was Gotti being flashy that lead to his demise. Do you really think if Gotti was much more low key the government would of said;; " hey guys, lets not relentlessly pursue the most powerful crime boss in the country because he keeps himself out of the limelight" c'mon.. Castellano was going down and so did all those other " low key" mob bosses during the commission case. Gotti's flashiness just made them dislike him. Every boss from 84-90 went away for.life. Why do you think if Gotti ate at a hot dog stand rather than an upper east side joint or wore a $200 suit rather than a $2000 suit, he would still be around? The moment the feds knew he was the new boss, he became their new target.
Lcn has changed alot the past 10 years. During gotti's era, every boss was on the commission and everyone knew who the bosses were. Today, they no longer have commission meetings and no one really knows who the bosses are.
I stand by my statement regarding Gotti refusing his men take plea deals as their ultimate demise.
Of course the fbi using tools the cia uses didnt help matters much either.

lalou- better hope it's not angola. you go in there you don't come out the same, if you come out.

gene and carnig were not the only guys that got crushed..tony morelli, ozzie,, cabert,frankie loc. several more his dumb ass brother pete,sonny c. primo flipped forced to go to trial..

Gene and John C were offered a 10 year plea

Binnie_coll
With all due respect, everyone thinks it was Gotti being flashy that lead to his demise. Do you really think if Gotti was much more low key the government would of said;; " hey guys, lets not relentlessly pursue the most powerful crime boss in the country because he keeps himself out of the limelight" c'mon.. Castellano was going down and so did all those other " low key" mob bosses during the commission case. Gotti's flashiness just made them dislike him. Every boss from 84-90 went away for.life. Why do you think if Gotti ate at a hot dog stand rather than an upper east side joint or wore a $200 suit rather than a $2000 suit, he would still be around? The moment the feds knew he was the new boss, he became their new target.
Lcn has changed alot the past 10 years. During gotti's era, every boss was on the commission and everyone knew who the bosses were. Today, they no longer have commission meetings and no one really knows who the bosses are.
I stand by my statement regarding Gotti refusing his men take plea deals as their ultimate demise.
Of course the fbi using tools the cia uses didnt help matters much either.

John gotti wanted to go to jail until it was time to go

Then he got hospitalized for being a dumbass in jail

What does that even mean? The guy was a lousy boss but every bid he ever did was done standing on his fucking head.


Please. That monkey beat up an old man. Real tough guy .

john gotti watched all those gang meetings and thought it was a joke

Who the fuck is this clown?

"wanted to go to jail until it was time to go to jail?"

huh? He did his sentence, and was never afraid of jail, which is obvious from the Ravenite tapes.