Seriously? I thought his points were weak at best. But i see you guys minds are made up, i shouldn't try to confuse you guys with facts.

good boy dell! you put it down exactly right. im with you on this one. great post dell....LOL!

I thought your points were equally weak; and the fact that you have to mock the man's physical appearance is kind of strange, leading me to believe that you already have a certain bias when it comes to this issue.

Just curious, are you american moe?

I tend to agree. I think one's characterization of the protagonists in any scenario does betray a subjective viewpoint. I'm sure that the annals of the New York Police Department's are replete with incidents of alleged bad police behavior directed at people who were much smaller than Mr. Garner and who, otherwise, had no physical characteristics that were distinguishable from most of us.

However, one thing that this Board gives us the opportunity to do is to emote, to move our fingers across a keyboard to produce highly subjective and biased posts.

And we all do it. Every last one of us .

Delly's entitled to his opinion. The same as you and me, the same as Binnie and Moe.

well, im watching t,v, and here is Sharpton again, everytime I see this guy I want to throw my shoe at him. he's got ammo now.

everytime something likes this happens he comes in like a savior on a white horse. how do you shut this guy up? he's everywhere!!

As i'm making another bag of popcorn..... What i want to know is, why didn't they taser him first, instead of going in hands on?

N.J., that's a good question!! good thinking.

Well that's ironic.

We can't separate the Al Sharptons of the world from these type of events. But it's important to not be distracted by their presence and language.

This family is not welcoming Sharton:

"The family of police shooting victim Akai Gurley had a message on Friday for the Rev. Al Sharpton: Keep your “circus” away from his funeral!
The blowhard opportunist muscled his way into the arrangements — and even put out press releases promising he would deliver the eulogy — without ever consulting the family or offering to foot the bill.
But Gurley’s relatives told Sharpton to stay away, rather than turn the somber ceremonies into a spectacle."
http://nypost.com/2014/12/05/cop-shoot-victims-family-stay-away-sharpton/

That's refreshing, Beanie.

I liken this to Italian Americans years ago. The Black community will eventually get tired of the Sharptons and Jacksons of this world in much the same way that Italian Americans in the old urban strongholds got tired of being extorted by the mob.

Preying on your own kind: A tradition as old as this country.

Well said PB. I give this family a lot of credit for standing up and exposing that scumbag rat's offer!

Very True, certainly without sharpton the lawsuit should payout a much greater settlement as well.

DP

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ell-phones.html

Says it all.

Good catch there, Moe. Looks like there are a few people whose hearts aren't really in it. Now some of these protesters are sincere. But it's obvious that a good many of them (read: moneyed, young and White) are there to be trendy. These are the same nitwits who protested the one percent at Zuccotti Park three years ago, and then walked home to their $10,000 a month SoHo apartments. That Daddy was paying for.

That is fucking hilarious.

the one guy even has the exact same beard you would expect someone like him to have, hahahaha

This is strange when I was a kid playing American football if someone lost his helmet. I would go out of my way to hit him with my helmet.

When I saw the white older guy laying on the floor with the young protesters obviously a leader an anarchist. I would love to run him over with my car more then once.

There's a sizeable portion of hipsters in my generation who think they're doing something heroic by laying down and playing dead. As if that makes a difference and as the article points out most of these douches are checking facebook and twitter while they're at it.

One of the comments on the page sums it up best

"What a bunch of idiots...'look at me I'm protesting! I'm protesting!'"

If Ferguson had been the only incident regarding this issue of police behavior along with white and black relations we might see less of this bullshit. It wouldn't have a wide berth or platform because Mike Brown was an asshole who messed with a cop and paid the price for it.

But the Staten Island was clear cut. He should've been charged with something. It was a breach of NYPD policy and excessive. The fact that nothing was brought against the cop is pretty baffling. And what's more it's going to give these wingnuts lying down in the street more ammo. They'll use this one incident to their advantage for personal gain or for an ideological agenda driven by emotions and not reason.

yup. it gave those liberals a cause, they got an enemy now.
I think if they would have brought a charge against the cop, any charge, it may have defused the situation a little.

but, I guess they aren't that smart. or don't care about public opinion.

Except here in America we don't charge and convict people for public relations and to appease the mobs. That goes against every facet of the American justice system. Let justice be done though the heavens may fall.

And furthermore, they TRIED to charge him. And the grand jury FAILED to deliver an indictment. So "not being smart," or "caring about public opinion" doesn't weigh in here. Because again, they TRIED to charge him.

My two cents. The scales of Justice are depicted as "blind" or as blindfolded for a reason. Everyone on each side is looking at the colors of the actors involved and making judgements partially based on that. We need to just look at the facts.

The facts are that the guy was resisting arrest initially.

The facts are also that a banned choke hold was used to subdue him, a choke hold the officer had to know was potentially lethal. The same type of choke hold resulted in the death of another civilian, one Anthony Baez.

The facts are that while the man went through convulsions, he apparently was ignored.

So that is a homicide followed by negligence of his asthmatic medical condition.....negligent homicide. If you want to call it reckless manslaughter, go right ahead. It's fine by me.

In Ferguson, let's forget color for a moment.

The facts are that the kid (Brown) was trying to bully and intimidate people around him. The facts are that he and his friend were walking in the center of the street, which is what attracted the cop's attention in the first place. The facts are that he and his friend were commanded to get out of the street and get onto the sidewalk immediately. They refused. The cop lost his temper.

The facts are that there was some sort of struggle at the window of the police car most likely initiated by the police officer. I do not believe Wilson started punching Brown. He must have grabbed for him like the affidavits attested.

The facts are that Brown most likely struggled to get away. Did he throw a punch at the officer as was claimed? We don't know. All we know for absolute certainty was that Officer Wilson did not suffer any noticeable injuries to his face after the fact, much less a collapsed optical orbit as some claimed.

The facts are that there was gunpowder residue on the young man which indicates that the gun was drawn and went off at the window of the car.

The facts are that Brown was then killed and finished off a full 150 feet from the police cruiser. This implies that after whatever happened at the window of the police cruiser, Brown fled and for whatever reason stopped fleeing while he was being shot at.

Witnesses say that when he was hit by the first bullets, he stopped to surrender, and was then summarily executed.

The facts are that when Brown dropped, his body was facing Wilson and the police cruiser. Officer Wilson says Brown turned to charge him like a bull. That is extremely unlikely. If it is not true, then he fired the last fatal shots into a man that was in fact already wounded and incapable of further aggression.

The people who feel Brown was served justice are actually saying that if you for whatever reason physically fight an officer of the law with your bare hands, you deserve to be executed by gun and not arrested for your crime.

They are saying that because Brown possibly punched a cop through the window of his cruiser in the heat of the moment of a confusing altercation, and then ran, that the cop was right to then draw his gun and attempt to kill the fleeing suspect.

Since when does a cop have the right to kill someone fleeing?

The moment Brown turned away from Wilson and ran, ending the altercation at the police cruiser, Wilson's lawful claim that the killing was self defense ended right there.

Sorry, if you are a cop, you don't have the "right" to get revenge on someone who punched you by shooting them dead.

I don't like posting in these threads. They garner a lot of emotion. No pun. What scares me is the militarization of our police force. They used to walk the beat. Got to know the community. We got away from that. Now they hop out and stop n frisk and then wonder why there is a no snitching campaign. There is no trust. Deep down I have to believe there is good ppl on both sides who want the same thing. Peace in their community.


I have two young boys. And my wife and I aren't police lovers ourselves but we will teach them to respect the badge and do what they tell you. Always. Right or wrong.

Couple kids I grew up with are. cops now and they're on steroids and some of the biggest assholes you'll ever meet. Fuckem.

No that's not what witnesses said. The witnesses(that werent lying)said that brown was charging the officer when the first round of shots were fired, then while Brown stopped running no shots were fired. Then when Brown resumed to run at Wilson, that's when the final shots were fired.

"Since when does a cop have the right to kill someone fleeing?

The moment Brown turned away from Wilson and ran, ending the altercation at the police cruiser, Wilson's lawful claim that the killing was self defense ended right there. "

Also not true. When Brown turned around and started to run at Wilson hes obviously no longer fleeing.

I agree cheech. Fuck em is pretty much my attitude to. But as PB says, what's right is right. And I'm so sick of the Blacks bitching and whining about some fictional police bogeyman who wakes up and goes out hunting for "innocent" blacks.

You of all people know that I don't even like most cops. But sometimes you act like you're 80 instead of 30. And being an "old soul" doesn't hold any water here. It's true that when I was your age the cops didn't act like this, but neither did the criminals. These neighborhoods had lower crime rates when they were Italian, Irish and Jewish, even though they were just as poor. But hey, if you want Hamden to turn into Bridgeport, then God bless.


That's all I'm talking about. If they indicted this cop, that would be one thing. But being that they didn't the Mayor has a duty to stand by his troops. I'm angrier at de Blasio for throwing one of his own under the bus than anything else.

But I don't care anymore. Let the city revert back to the cesspool it was under Dinkins. Then maybe the lily white hipsters will all go back to the midwest where they fucking belong. These are the idiots who are laying down and playing dead in the street right now anyway.

Theres an article in todays Daily News saying that the BGF (Black Guerilla Family) might be thinking about declaring open season on NYC cops due to the non indictment in the Garner case. Hopefully it's bad intel.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/excl...ticle-1.2036616

edit Sorry i just saw that Scorsese already posted this in the oc section