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Who was right Richie or Beansie?
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01/18/15 03:22 AM
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Based purely on Cosa Nostra rules, if things came to a sit-down, who would you rule in favor of? (Tony is not involved in this scenario)
Sure, the information is rather limited, but just because Beansie is more likable as a character doesn't make him automatically right. Richie was a made man and a capo, and Beansie was just an associate. It's stated that they were partners in the drug business using the pizzeria as a front (obviously based on the Pizza connection) with Richie getting the lion's share. Then he got pinched and went to prison, while Beansie was left with the pizzeria which he ran and expanded and later kicked up to Tony, who's the boss. Beansie also has a right to this because he put a lot into the business and took care of it while Richie was away plus he's kicking up to the boss so he should be safe. However, Richie also has a legitimate beef, because that was his racket and now he's being pushed aside and even his own boss is playing favorites against him after he's done 10 years and never ratted on the family.
My opinion- Beansie should have given him about 10% just out of respect and he'd still be walking.. or otherwise Tony should have been less greedy and should have shared the money Beansie kicked up to him with Richie. What do you guys think?
-I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
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Re: Who was right Richie or Beansie?
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beansie incidently I knew the actor that played him. He was the meeter and greater at the cafe central restraunt. That is how he got into making movies in the first place. He knew a lot of movie people from his job there. I think if I was him I would take any money He had and took the wife and get the fuck out of there. He was dealing with a nut job. he was not a kid anymore and should have made some money if he did not piss it away. Then he calls tony his friend  and tells why he had to get out.
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Re: Who was right Richie or Beansie?
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Neither of them were right IMHO. First, was it established that Beansie was still engaged in illicit doings and kicking a vig up to Tony? I thought it was basically hinted that in the 10 years Richie was incarcerated Beansie went legit.
In any event, Richie should have gone to Tony and gotten him to intervene, instead of going and trying to shake Beansie down. Richie was way out of line. If Tony felt that Richie was owed something, I bet Beansie would have been a lot more likely (although still reluctantly) to give Richie a cut than having Richie come there, talk shit and then beat him up (and later try to kill him).
It probably woulnd't have helped him but Beansie should have told Richie to A) Come and talk to him later (i.e. not in front of customers), and B) If he was paying Tony while Richie was in prison, that Richie needs to get Tony involved and let Tony decide what, if anything, Richie should get.
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Re: Who was right Richie or Beansie?
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01/18/15 09:52 AM
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Richie was wrong, and Beansie was in a no-win situation (he lamented as such before Richie attacked him). Richie knew Beansie was kicking up to Tony, because he mocked Beansie only had his success by sucking up to Tony. And at that point, I think Richie was fresh out of prison and not spoken to Tony; their reunion was a few scenes later in front of Satriale's.
Like Richie, Feech LaManna had an extended prison term, and his revenue generators went elsewhere, notably the Executive Card Game (which at the time was Tony's). Unlike Richie, Feech went to Tony and asked for the game back.
Granted, there wasn't a store owner to lean on, but Feech showed the proper protocol in getting his earnings back. Had Richie taken the same approach, Tony would have been more amenable to giving Richie part or all of Beansie's tribute.
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Re: Who was right Richie or Beansie?
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01/18/15 11:24 AM
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Richie was wrong, and Beansie was in a no-win situation (he lamented as such before Richie attacked him). Richie knew Beansie was kicking up to Tony, because he mocked Beansie only had his success by sucking up to Tony. And at that point, I think Richie was fresh out of prison and not spoken to Tony; their reunion was a few scenes later in front of Satriale's.
Like Richie, Feech LaManna had an extended prison term, and his revenue generators went elsewhere, notably the Executive Card Game (which at the time was Tony's). Unlike Richie, Feech went to Tony and asked for the game back.
Granted, there wasn't a store owner to lean on, but Feech showed the proper protocol in getting his earnings back. Had Richie taken the same approach, Tony would have been more amenable to giving Richie part or all of Beansie's tribute.
Exactly. Feech went to the boss, Richie still figured Tony was some dumb kid, his brother's sidekick, and treated him as such. In fact that was Richie's biggest problem. He came out of prison with a huge sense of entitlement because his brother was Jackie Aprile Sr and expected everyone to kiss his ass because of it. He never got it through his head that times change and that Tony wasn't some punk, he was the boss, and Richie should have respected that.
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Re: Who was right Richie or Beansie?
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This is why I said it's a pure Cosa Nostra situation, or a hypothetical sitdown where Tony is not involved, so that your character preference should be irrelevant.
Knowing the mob I'm pretty sure they'd just settle for dividing the loot among their own and the only victim would be the mark (Beansie) who'd probably have to kick up more.
-I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
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Re: Who was right Richie or Beansie?
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It's highly likely if there was a sit-down, Beansie would be told to pay Richie, but then he'd probably have done it. Richie was just trying to bully him on his own, with zero backing from anyone, even if his claim was legitimate.
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Re: Who was right Richie or Beansie?
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01/20/15 07:09 AM
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Like Richie, Feech LaManna had an extended prison term, and his revenue generators went elsewhere, notably the Executive Card Game (which at the time was Tony's). Unlike Richie, Feech went to Tony and asked for the game back.
Granted, there wasn't a store owner to lean on, but Feech showed the proper protocol in getting his earnings back. Had Richie taken the same approach, Tony would have been more amenable to giving Richie part or all of Beansie's tribute.
Beansie was screwed either way. I think Tony nailed it when he said "since when did you ever give a f--k about anyone but Richie Aprile?" On this Feech thing, did that happen before or after Tony had Feech in for a lecture? Recall Tony said "this is the 2nd time I'm playing catch up with you." Feech was every bit the thorn in Tony's side that Richie was in Season 2. I think the main differences were 1) Tony looked up to Feech given their age difference and 2) Probably subconsciously Tony wanted to stay in Feech's good graces considering Tony's role in the stick up of Feech's card game when Tony was younger. There was always that minute chance that Feech could decide to avenge the stick-up. Not that I think Feech would have been looking to whack Tony who was the boss when Feech got out of jail. But look at all the times Feech referred to Tony as "kid."
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Re: Who was right Richie or Beansie?
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Like Richie, Feech LaManna had an extended prison term, and his revenue generators went elsewhere, notably the Executive Card Game (which at the time was Tony's). Unlike Richie, Feech went to Tony and asked for the game back.
Granted, there wasn't a store owner to lean on, but Feech showed the proper protocol in getting his earnings back. Had Richie taken the same approach, Tony would have been more amenable to giving Richie part or all of Beansie's tribute.
Beansie was screwed either way. I think Tony nailed it when he said "since when did you ever give a f--k about anyone but Richie Aprile?" On this Feech thing, did that happen before or after Tony had Feech in for a lecture? Recall Tony said "this is the 2nd time I'm playing catch up with you." Feech was every bit the thorn in Tony's side that Richie was in Season 2. I think the main differences were 1) Tony looked up to Feech given their age difference and 2) Probably subconsciously Tony wanted to stay in Feech's good graces considering Tony's role in the stick up of Feech's card game when Tony was younger. There was always that minute chance that Feech could decide to avenge the stick-up. Not that I think Feech would have been looking to whack Tony who was the boss when Feech got out of jail. But look at all the times Feech referred to Tony as "kid." I'm presuming the lecture you're referring to is the one where Tony told him to shut up with the stories from the past? If memory serves me right, that lecture was immediately after he knocked off the cars at Dr. Freid's daughter's wedding. Feech saw that opportunity at the first of two Executive Card Games (the one with Lawrence Taylor and Bernie Brillstein). Feech was much more passive-aggressive with Tony than Richie was, and it depended on what leverage Feech had - when he asked for the card game back, it was almost hat in hand begging. He had no leverage, since the client list was far different than when he had his game. But even before groveling, he was still irritating Tony and Silvio with DiMeo Story Time with Christopher and Benny. Even with Paulie's bookmaking operation, he was still respectful of who owned a particular client. But his new enterprises - car theft and lawn care rackets - he was content to keep that from Tony as long as possible. With the car theft, he moved the cars via Johnny Sack's contacts. It only attracted Tony's attention when both situations got out of control - Paulie kicking the shit out of Feech's cousin, and Dr. Freid complaining directly to Tony. And Tony's assessment of Richie was spot on, even though Tony was fueling the fire by high-handing Richie (he pulled the "gotta go" bit before he learned about Beansie's beating). Richie only cared about Richie, and that definitely included shaking down Beansie on his own, with zero regard where Beansie was kicking up to.
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Re: Who was right Richie or Beansie?
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And Feech would always patronize Tony by calling him "Godfather" even though Tony didn't like it. Or by calling him "Don Antonio" 
-I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
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Re: Who was right Richie or Beansie?
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Beansie knew the rules, "You're a Made Guy, so I lose either way". I would reluctantly rule in Richie's favor despite my misgivings about it, as Tony said: "Chain of command is important in our thing"... True, but Richie still went about it the wrong way by trying to shakedown Beansie instead of following the chain of command. I think Beansie was so reluctant because Richie was just trying to bully him, and if there had been a sit-down or something with Tony deciding that Beansie had to give Richie X% of a cut, he would have grumbled but ultimately accepted it. Of course I don't think there was anything he could have done. Even if, during the confrontation, Beansie had told Richie he needs to get Tony involved, Richie would have probably taken it as an insult and beaten the shit out of him anyways. So poor Beansie was screwed no matter what.
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Re: Who was right Richie or Beansie?
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You think he gave a shit whether beanie was at the party or not. But he did expect a fat envelope from Beansie sent by someone from beansie. Yes, beansie not being present makes it easy for Richie to move into a violent stamp on his prey.
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