Common knowledge that Jimmy Brown And Danny Marino were aligned with the Genovese family after Paul Castellano was murdered, how were they both able to remain unharmed after their treason ? Paul was killed in 1985 and JB died in 1999, almost 15 years and no sanction or attempt to kill either one of the two ? Just Curious. Thanx.

common knowledge now, probably not then. both arranged theirselves with the new leadership, they didnt want to get killed, right? Additionally, Gotti liked Failla because he was a Money maker.. I dont know much about danny marino, guess same counts for him.

Yes, common knowledge now. Not then. It was revealed first after Casso flipped at a time when both Failla and Marino were in jail/in prison. They were both punished. Failla was demoted and his rackets went to Francolino. He died in prison I believe or right after he was released. Marino was demoted too but was back into good graces sometime after Gotti´s death.

Any info on Francolino HK?

Still active/Capo/Based etc?

Cheers.

I doubt he´s a skipper. He was made into Gravano´s crew in 1986. Unless that crew was disbanded, it´s run by Louis DeVito today. (I believe.) The crew is based in Staten Island and Bensonhurst. Bronx (the poster) may know more.

Even if Casso revealed all when Gotti sr was still on the streets, you guys are forgetting one fundamental unspoken rule. And that is never trust the word of a rat. Don't forget they also believed Casso had a hard on (no pun intended) for Danny Marino due to the fact his nephew Hydell tried to whack him. Not saying there isn't an honest rat, but everybody knows most rats sing the tune prosecutors want to hear & make up shit to hurt others they want to get even with

Thx HK.

Appreciated.

Jimmy Hydell was Danny Marino's nephew? Really? Never knew that. I always thought Hydell was just a dunce theh Gambinos used to pull the trigger on Casso.

think that what chin told amuso an casso he wanted but they wernt in on it. jimm brown was old already, seemed like marino and gotti got along. he was a capo the whole time under gotti in charge of won of there biggest crew plus he was the conduit to the westies so gotti must have had some faith in him. casso new by putting marino name in the plot he was gonna get killed somehow. remember reading they put marino in p.c. cause there was a threat on his life he had to go to court and sue to get out saying it was bull. hydell is his nephew he shot casso. lil al and pete gave them the murders in 91 gotti must have none from lawyers and he didn't try brown or danny hhe put him in charge. then brown dies in 99 peter gotti and company show up to the wake and funeral, his brother probably told him show up in force.

say they killed gotti. the capos have to pic the new boss chin says yes or no tells amuso this is who only other boss has a say is persico doing 100years.

Demoted ok, I guess this is why Chin had said " We dont't break our Captain's , we KILL them.

Jr Gotti admitted to snitching on Marino in a proffer session to the feds in his book.

Yes,Jimmy was the son of Danny Marinos sister.They lived in a house in Dyker Heights.

not true

I am interested to know what happened with Francolino as well.

I read that garbage carting book written by the cop (horribly, I might add. Seemed like the book was not proofread or edited). I forget the name of the book because it was a while ago. I remembered the description of Francolino as being very old school.

Would also be nice to know what happened with Frank Giovinco of the west side. He was aligned with Allie Shades and was considered up-and-coming.

Another thing I read a lot. Never have I come across brown n Marino in the same crew same rackets. Brown was close to the westside in the garbage shit. Were does Marino fit. Thought his uncle was the wall st guy. Dr.?. Only casso I think pointed a finger at Marino knowing in his killing days gotti would kill Marino just cause that's how amuso killed there family.

Another thing I read a lot. Never have I come across brown n Marino in the same crew same rackets. Brown was close to the westside in the garbage shit. Were does Marino fit. Thought his uncle was the wall st guy. Dr.?. Only casso I think pointed a finger at Marino knowing in his killing days gotti would kill Marino just cause that's how amuso killed there family.

Marino was tight with Corozzo and Lenny dimaria.

Jimmy Brown & Marino were HEAVYWEIGHTS in the family, you take them out and you've got a serious problem. They had too much backing, not just in there own family but with the Westside, also.

Carmine Lombardozzi.

Reading Shadow Of My Father which is pretty fucking amazing.. Gotti Jr states that when when Fat and Skinny(mafia cops) turned Hydell over to Casso, Marino was in a panic and told Casso he had no contact with his nephew, wrote him off long ago, and to do what he had to do.. Marino was def afraid of Casso as were most of the mafia

Am sure Gotti was afraid of Casso too,he just never said outlaud

@ Tommy

That's not a new revelation. It's well known that Marino gave Casso carte blanche to seek retaliation against Hydell.

And the book will be as interesting as a work of propaganda can possibly be.

I wouldn't trust Urkel about Marino. There's bad blood between them. It's a fact that Marino wrote off his nephew long ago due to him being a junkie and stealing from his own family and Marino himself. There's a reason why Hydell wasn't under Marino.

I doubt Marino was in a panic. Nobody would want Casso putting a hit on them, but nobody would want Gotti or Marino putting a hit on them either.

Taking out the boss Castellano wasn't a serious problem?

The more I learn about Hydell the less sorry I feel for him. At first I thought he was just some wannabe kid who's in over his head, kinda like those two idiots working for Chris in the Sopranos.
Then I read Brotherhoods where I found out he'd kidnapped and killed his own girlfriend just some weeks before his death, and had whacked a few other people before that. Not to mention Casso himself kinda liked him and had given him a union job.
Now I'm hearing he was also Marino's nephew and wasn't trusted by Danny for being a degenerate junkie, a loose cannon AND stealing from his family? What a moron... sure he couldn't get made 'cause he was Irish but he was lucky enough his uncle was a Gambino capo. He could have went legit and had the backing of a captain at the same time.
Nobody deserves to die like that though, tortured for days, but damn this guy was an animal. Good riddance.

Hydell was mostly German I think. And I think he might not have been a blood relation to Marino; not that it makes much difference.

Marino is his mother's brother in law. No blood there.

Yep, his mom's sister was/ is married to Marino.
What some dont know about the killing of hydell was that while he was held in a basement, Casso brought down a few gambino guys to witness first hand who authorized the hit on casso. I know gravano was there. Hydell told them ( with a bunch of bullets in his body) that it was a gambino authorized hit.
Hydell was a low life but didnt deserve to die that way,its barbaric. thats Taliban type shit.
To me, more ruthless than Casso were Eppolito and Caracappa who should rot in prison and then pissed on when they die. They knew full well what was going to happen to that kid.

Has it been confirmed Failla & Marino were with the Genovese's? If so, what's the source? Pizzaboy, do you have knowledge of this claim? I remember reading that Chin reached out to Failla and Marino basically saying that Failla could be boss with Marino as Underboss if Gotti was whacked. Maybe I interpreted the thread wrong, but I thought this was referring to Brown/Failla secretly being part of the Genovese's?