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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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Plus Costello retired when he was alive so it wasn't like he had an army on hand to avenge their boss. Nobody cared other than his blood relatives If you think Costello didn't still have loyalists in the '60s, you're very much mistaken. He received his cut from plenty of partnerships until the day he died. The Harlem and Bronx/Yonkers factions of the family saw to it that the man got what was right. Because Costello was particularly close to both Larry Black and Cockeyed Nick. And Vito wasn't risking a war from jail because they saw to it that Costello got what was rightfully his, particularly from the gambling. Point being, Costello didn't live out his days on Central Park West on Social Security. The bombing? Who knows. At the end of the day, Galante was an animal and he died as he lived. Like I said: karma.
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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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Did the bombing even happen in the first place ?? A lot of people say it didn't happen and there is no real evidence either I remember once seeing a newspaper clipping from the day after it happened. (Might have been in the New York Times).
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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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Because getting "made" doesn't apply to the afterlife.
Plus Costello retired when he was alive so it wasn't like he had an army on hand to avenge their boss. Nobody cared other than his blood relatives SO you're telling me that if someone bombed Carlo Gambinos grave right after he had passed , that there would have been no retribution from the family and/or other families just based off of sheer respect many had for the man?
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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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I believe SC previously posted the link to this story. No mention of Galante but Costello's mauseoleum was definitely bombed. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2245&dat=19740126&id=suEzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=iTIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=4874,2249134
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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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I think Mob informant Vinnie Teresa is the one who claimed that Galante bombed Costello's mausoleum. Don't think anything was ever proved. Teresa said that Galante hated Costello but never really explained why. He didn't like Gambino either, for that matter. Because Galante was a big Bonanno defender, it would seem more logical that he would have hated Steve Magaddino or Joe Colombo, since they had more to do with deposing his old boss than anyone else. Although I haven´t read or even held that Vinny Teresa book in my hands for close to 30 years, it´s amazing how I still remember some quotes from it. (That´s how fascinated I was about it lol, but I was just a teenager and didn´t know better...) According to Teresa, Galante hated Colombo fiercely too and said to him "Colombo is going to get hit, the Gallos are going to do it and I don´t blame them." And Teresa wrote "I never knew how right he was until it actually happened." (Note these are Teresa quotes, doesn´t necessarily mean Terasa was telling the truth.)
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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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Because getting "made" doesn't apply to the afterlife.
Plus Costello retired when he was alive so it wasn't like he had an army on hand to avenge their boss. Nobody cared other than his blood relatives SO you're telling me that if someone bombed Carlo Gambinos grave right after he had passed , that there would have been no retribution from the family and/or other families just based off of sheer respect many had for the man? Carlo Gambino is in a different league altogether from Costello. Yes Costello was once very powerful but do u think someone could graze carlo's head & force him into retirement? Then take over his family? I didn't think so As u can see, Carlo's power is alot different to Costello's & again not saying Costello didn't have power after he retired. But one can see the difference & who was running the family for Costello after he died in terms of blood relative? Carlo on the otherhand had Castellano plus let's not forget Tommy Gambino. & why are we even debating whether or not anyone would avenge the bombing of frank's tomb, clearly there was no retribution. Case closed. No one gave two fuks And ok, someone kindly posted a pic of a shotgunned Galante but that had zero to do with Costello & everything to do with money/ power (involving alive persons). Nothing to do with the deceased
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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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Because getting "made" doesn't apply to the afterlife.
Plus Costello retired when he was alive so it wasn't like he had an army on hand to avenge their boss. Nobody cared other than his blood relatives SO you're telling me that if someone bombed Carlo Gambinos grave right after he had passed , that there would have been no retribution from the family and/or other families just based off of sheer respect many had for the man? Carlo Gambino is in a different league altogether from Costello. Yes Costello was once very powerful but do u think someone could graze carlo's head & force him into retirement? Then take over his family? I didn't think so As u can see, Carlo's power is alot different to Costello's & again not saying Costello didn't have power after he retired. But one can see the difference & who was running the family for Costello after he died in terms of blood relative? Carlo on the otherhand had Castellano plus let's not forget Tommy Gambino. & why are we even debating whether or not anyone would avenge the bombing of frank's tomb, clearly there was no retribution. Case closed. No one gave two fuks And ok, someone kindly posted a pic of a shotgunned Galante but that had zero to do with Costello & everything to do with money/ power (involving alive persons). Nothing to do with the deceased It sounded like the point you were trying to make was that Costello had no power or respect after he stepped down, therefore nobody cared when his mausoleum was bombed. That just isn't the case. Frank Costello also isn't the only former high ranking mob guy who was busted down but still had some respect and guys loyal to him. Nobody took over Costello's family, he could've gone to war, but that wasn't him. He had guys loyal to him, real tough guys who wouldn't of thought twice about gunning down Genovese and all those loyal to him, like Willie Moretti and his crew of cutthroats. He also had loyal allies who would've done the same, like Albert Anastasia. If he really wanted to, Costello would've had little problem disposing Vito Genovese, IMO. But Costello never liked the attention from law enforcement. His greatest pride was his false success at portraying himself and giving the public this image of him as a legitimate businessman, who made money through his business prowess. And once he was outed as a mob boss by the media, his attitude took a turn for the worse, it was devastating to him. So it would've been completely out of character for him to all of sudden, revert back to being a gangster first and going to war. And he didn't even need to, he surpassed Vito in earnings, had established himself in legitimate businesses. He didn't need to be the boss, and he knew it. And he told Genovese after the attempt and after he threw Gigante the bone during his attempted murder trial, that he'd be taking an early retirement and he stuck to his word. And you're misinformed if you think nobody took the steps to retaliate against Genovese after that, or wanted to. Albert Anastasia had went to the Commission and wanted approval to go to war with Genovese for his transgressions against Costello. He was prepared, Joe Bonanno supposedly (according to his book) stopped the bloodshed by having the two mete out their differences over dinner, which he proclaimed the "Pax Bonanno".
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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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Because getting "made" doesn't apply to the afterlife.
Plus Costello retired when he was alive so it wasn't like he had an army on hand to avenge their boss. Nobody cared other than his blood relatives SO you're telling me that if someone bombed Carlo Gambinos grave right after he had passed , that there would have been no retribution from the family and/or other families just based off of sheer respect many had for the man? Carlo Gambino is in a different league altogether from Costello. Yes Costello was once very powerful but do u think someone could graze carlo's head & force him into retirement? Then take over his family? I didn't think so As u can see, Carlo's power is alot different to Costello's & again not saying Costello didn't have power after he retired. But one can see the difference & who was running the family for Costello after he died in terms of blood relative? Carlo on the otherhand had Castellano plus let's not forget Tommy Gambino. & why are we even debating whether or not anyone would avenge the bombing of frank's tomb, clearly there was no retribution. Case closed. No one gave two fuks And ok, someone kindly posted a pic of a shotgunned Galante but that had zero to do with Costello & everything to do with money/ power (involving alive persons). Nothing to do with the deceased If carlo gambino was meticulously undermined by Genovese as Costello was then yes , i could see that happening.
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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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@ Sinatra Club: Much the same as what I was saying. Costello earned until he died, and he had some heavyweight loyalists until the end. Vito died in a cage like an animal. So really, who won? I'm sure Costello thought he won and Genovese thought he won. Just depends on how you look at it and who you ask.
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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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@ Sinatra Club: Much the same as what I was saying. Costello earned until he died, and he had some heavyweight loyalists until the end. Vito died in a cage like an animal. So really, who won? I'm sure Costello thought he won and Genovese thought he won. Just depends on how you look at it and who you ask. Costello won. There's a wiretap somewhere of Catena and Alo laughing themselves silly about Vito's last days as opposed to Franks. Good enough for them, good enough for me.
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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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Because getting "made" doesn't apply to the afterlife.
Plus Costello retired when he was alive so it wasn't like he had an army on hand to avenge their boss. Nobody cared other than his blood relatives SO you're telling me that if someone bombed Carlo Gambinos grave right after he had passed , that there would have been no retribution from the family and/or other families just based off of sheer respect many had for the man? Carlo Gambino is in a different league altogether from Costello. Yes Costello was once very powerful but do u think someone could graze carlo's head & force him into retirement? Then take over his family? I didn't think so As u can see, Carlo's power is alot different to Costello's & again not saying Costello didn't have power after he retired. But one can see the difference & who was running the family for Costello after he died in terms of blood relative? Carlo on the otherhand had Castellano plus let's not forget Tommy Gambino. & why are we even debating whether or not anyone would avenge the bombing of frank's tomb, clearly there was no retribution. Case closed. No one gave two fuks And ok, someone kindly posted a pic of a shotgunned Galante but that had zero to do with Costello & everything to do with money/ power (involving alive persons). Nothing to do with the deceased It sounded like the point you were trying to make was that Costello had no power or respect after he stepped down, therefore nobody cared when his mausoleum was bombed. That just isn't the case. Frank Costello also isn't the only former high ranking mob guy who was busted down but still had some respect and guys loyal to him. Nobody took over Costello's family, he could've gone to war, but that wasn't him. He had guys loyal to him, real tough guys who wouldn't of thought twice about gunning down Genovese and all those loyal to him, like Willie Moretti and his crew of cutthroats. He also had loyal allies who would've done the same, like Albert Anastasia. If he really wanted to, Costello would've had little problem disposing Vito Genovese, IMO. But Costello never liked the attention from law enforcement. His greatest pride was his false success at portraying himself and giving the public this image of him as a legitimate businessman, who made money through his business prowess. And once he was outed as a mob boss by the media, his attitude took a turn for the worse, it was devastating to him. So it would've been completely out of character for him to all of sudden, revert back to being a gangster first and going to war. And he didn't even need to, he surpassed Vito in earnings, had established himself in legitimate businesses. He didn't need to be the boss, and he knew it. And he told Genovese after the attempt and after he threw Gigante the bone during his attempted murder trial, that he'd be taking an early retirement and he stuck to his word. And you're misinformed if you think nobody took the steps to retaliate against Genovese after that, or wanted to. Albert Anastasia had went to the Commission and wanted approval to go to war with Genovese for his transgressions against Costello. He was prepared, Joe Bonanno supposedly (according to his book) stopped the bloodshed by having the two mete out their differences over dinner, which he proclaimed the "Pax Bonanno". No I am not misinformed, it's in all the mob history books that Albert wanted to avenge Costello but as we saw it didn't happen. & yes I have read that Bonanno claims to have acted as mediator between Albert & Genovese Now I keep reading posts about how many loyal guys Costello had under him, & I'm not doubting that BUT what I'm trying to point out is nobody gave two fuks to go after Galante over it. Whereas if Galante did that to carlo's or a modern day tough guy did that to John Gotti's grave & his son John Jr was still on the streets, there is a high chance of retribution. I mean Gotti jr tried to get Curtis Sliwa hurt just for badmouthing his father, forget about bombing his tomb I'll say this again, quit talking about how much power Costello wielded before his death, NOBODY within his circle would touch Galante over it even if they knew he did it. Unless Costello had very powerful blood relatives who took it "personally" as in the case of Paul Castellano/ Gotti jr as mentioned above, those still loyal to Costello would know it was bad for "business" to go after Galante. Afterall frank is dead, he's hardly going to thank his men or friends who are still living & potentially risking their lives vs a serial killing "self imposed" boss of the Bonanno's
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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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Tony, the assumption that Carlo Gambino, being a more respected and threatening boss than Costello, would have been avenged had he been disrespected by Galante in the manner Costello was, is inconsistent with the fact that Galante insulted Carlo Gambino and Carlo was not able to have Galante removed, despite being hailed as boss of bosses.
Regardless to what Carlo's supporters would have done with Galante had Galante disrespected Carlo the way Costello was, the fact of the matter is that Carlo didn't have the power to remove Galante right away while he (Carlo) was actually in power.
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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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Well I think Carlo was already in bad health by Galante's peak and after Carlo died Castellano took over. I doubt Paul was the kinda guy who would have whacked Carmine only because he blew up Carlo's grave, even though they were family.. it was just business with him and he wanted a piece of Galante's very profitable heroin business, which is why he finally okayed the hit on him.
Regardless, it's just my opinion and we're talking about a what-if scenario here anyway.
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Re: Why wasnt Galante punished for bombing Costello's.
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No I am not misinformed, it's in all the mob history books that Albert wanted to avenge Costello but as we saw it didn't happen. & yes I have read that Bonanno claims to have acted as mediator between Albert & Genovese
Now I keep reading posts about how many loyal guys Costello had under him, & I'm not doubting that BUT what I'm trying to point out is nobody gave two fuks to go after Galante over it.
Whereas if Galante did that to carlo's or a modern day tough guy did that to John Gotti's grave & his son John Jr was still on the streets, there is a high chance of retribution. I mean Gotti jr tried to get Curtis Sliwa hurt just for badmouthing his father, forget about bombing his tomb
I'll say this again, quit talking about how much power Costello wielded before his death, NOBODY within his circle would touch Galante over it even if they knew he did it.
Unless Costello had very powerful blood relatives who took it "personally" as in the case of Paul Castellano/ Gotti jr as mentioned above, those still loyal to Costello would know it was bad for "business" to go after Galante. Afterall frank is dead, he's hardly going to thank his men or friends who are still living & potentially risking their lives vs a serial killing "self imposed" boss of the Bonanno's I think that's pretty ridiculous to say personally. It hasn't happened, how can one assume what anyone would do if they bombed Carlo Gambino's grave or John Gotti's. I'm pretty sure that if someone damaged John Gotti's grave or Gambino's today, nobody would care nor would anything be done. The proof is in the pudding, a bum robbed valuable pieces of Fat Tony Salerno's mausoleum in 2013. And nobody did anything, the guy ended up being caught by the police. If no one did anything then, they most likely won't be doing anything now for John Gotti or Carlo Gambino.
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