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Money, general rules of dispersion? #834632
03/25/15 09:15 PM
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I am really curious how money circulates and how it pertains differently depending on your official rank.

I know everything always flows up but these things confuse me:

#1 Do all made men recieve a weekly/monthly salary ?
#2 Do soldiers tell their capos exactly how much a score will net, then hand the money in and let their capo decide what they get to keep OR, is their an established percentage from every take?
#3 Are the soldier rules the same ones that apply to associates?

Thanks in advance!

Re: Money, general rules of dispersion? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #834656
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1. Soldiers don't receive a salary. They make what they can during the week in any means possible and they give a cut to their capos (usually around 10%). The mob is a pretty greedy business so the higher ranking members would never pay their soldiers, they're the ones that get paid!

2. Its pretty common for soldiers not to kick up the full amount as they mostly deal with straight up cash so its very hard for capos to keep a trace of what exactly they made. If you make $15,000 in one score, the soldiers would probably tell their capos they only made $10,000 and pocket the other 5k.

3. I think I read that associates have to kick up 50% of their earnings to soldiers but that seems pretty high so I am not entirely sure.

Hope this helps!

Re: Money, general rules of dispersion? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #834675
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I've also been curious about this. Is it pretty much established that an associate has to kick up 50%? That's ridiculous, giving half of your loot to somebody for doing nothing. Maybe that's the norm but I think it's specific in every case, you make a deal with the guy who you kick up to and stick with it.
Like, If you're a HUGE earner I doubt you have to kick up much more than 10%

Bottom line, I think it can pretty much be worked out specifically in each case. Depends on a lot of things like how greedy your guy is, how greedy his capo is, etc, etc.


-I shot him a coupla' times.
-What's a couple?
-Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times?
-Maybe fifteen?
-Hmm, it could've been fifteen...

-Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso
Re: Money, general rules of dispersion? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #834678
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Jersey Crew refused to give the 50% to Casso and Amuso,while under Corallo give only 50,000 a year,and that's ridiculous.

I think that the 10 % rules is for the associates and the made men and so on until the boss.

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2. Its pretty common for soldiers not to kick up the full amount as they mostly deal with straight up cash so its very hard for capos to keep a trace of what exactly they made. If you make $15,000 in one score, the soldiers would probably tell their capos they only made $10,000 and pocket the other 5k.


I don't think that if you earn 15,000 you can say "ehi Sal I made 10k that's your part", because if Sal know and on the streets there are no secret,you could be beaten or killed,there are made men whacked because skimmed the money and for the associates will be more easy.
More depends from the deals that are with the capos or the soldiers.

little curiosity here is when they take 30 camorristi of the Moccia faction of Afragola.

A salary that ranged between five and six thousand Euros per month, while for all other affiliates the monthly compensation ranged between 1,500 and 2,000 Euros, depending on the length of membership. Just like seniority, for a normal job, that the state no longer gave and the Camorra instead yes.

Re: Money, general rules of dispersion? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #834793
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in the book Donnie brasco, pistone says " sonny black mentioned one time that rusty rastelli wanted him to kick back 50,000 a week to him.

I don't know how many soldiers sonny black had under him but, 50 g's a week he was ordered to kick up.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Money, general rules of dispersion? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #834794
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Originally Posted By: ItalianIrishMix

I know everything always flows up but these things confuse me:



Everything doesn't flow up. Some of it is already up, and that's where the real money is, not in the kickbacks trickling up. The bosses at the top have [or had] joint ventures in which they share the profits among each other. Certain special capos were assigned as supervisors to watch over those private interests and enterprises, but the bosses function as the owners.

Out of that money, the bosses then must pay tribute and grease to their law enforcement contacts, lawyers, and politicians. If they don't pay, it's almost the same as if a Capo failed to pay tribute to them.


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Re: Money, general rules of dispersion? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #834796
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Naturally there are exceptions to every rule,but the long standing system has been as follows:
Associates kick up half their earnings to whichever soldier they operate under.
Soldiers kick up half their earnings to their Captain.
The Captains kick up 10% of their earnings to the Boss.

Any made guy who goes into business with a non-made guy gets half. The justification is that without a Wiseguy partner the associate is open to extortion,threats,and even legitimate competition. Mafia math is very simple. "You need a partner? OK I'm your partner now. 50/50 is partners."

The Soldier may have 10 or 20 associates all kicking up half,so when he has to give up half to his Capo,there is plenty left over.

Same for the Capos. They are collecting from 10 or 20 Soldiers,so the 10% they kick up
still leaves them a nice bundle.

Having said that,there are various other arrangements that can be made. Capos and Bosses can make any rules they want. Some demand a weekly or monthly minimum kickup,plus a percentage of the take.

In Sonny Black's case,Rastelli's demand was a minimum. No matter what Sonny took in,he had to kick 50 grand a month (which would mean that Sonny's Soldiers had to give him at least 500,000 per month to make his nut). If however the Soldiers came up short,he still had to make up the difference. On the other hand,if his guys kicked up 750,000,then Rusty's end would be 75,000 that month.

Re: Money, general rules of dispersion? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #877332
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I ask myself what happens to a made guy (soldier) who doesn´t have any money to give to his capo?


Sorry for bad english, I am not a native american, I hope you forgive me wink
Re: Money, general rules of dispersion? [Re: DBCooper] #877333
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Originally Posted By: DBCooper
I ask myself what happens to a made guy (soldier) who doesn´t have any money to give to his capo?


Will do like Paulie Gualtieri that killed the old woman for Rob her 10'000 $.
But if the soldier dont stay in the can,is really impossible that dont find the way on the street to make some $$$ to gave to the capo.

Re: Money, general rules of dispersion? [Re: Lou_Para] #877360
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Originally Posted By: Lou_Para


Having said that,there are various other arrangements that can be made. Capos and Bosses can make any rules they want.



This is probably more accurate. Im guessing its dependant upon the ability and motivation of the capo or boss to enforce such stringent rules. Something like labour racketeering would probably be something that a boss could go "I know what my cut of that should be" and collect a significant amount of money at one time where as dwindling it down to a soldier committing a home invasion robbery would probably be something that they wouldn't bother doing.

Re: Money, general rules of dispersion? [Re: DBCooper] #877595
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Originally Posted By: DBCooper
I ask myself what happens to a made guy (soldier) who doesn´t have any money to give to his capo?


They have been whacked. Those who couldn't earn were called "cripples". They were sometimes killed off.


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