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Re: Further Question on GF II
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04/07/04 03:14 PM
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Thanks to you all for responding. MMFloors--If there was no deal between Michael and Roth about hotels/casinos in Vegas, what was Senator Geary talking to Michael about at the beginning? And the fact that Johnny Ola tells Michael that the hotel he's (Michael) is trying to buy is partially owned by Roth? Plus, doesn't Mike mention to Pentangeli that he and Roth have business dealings going on? DJ Godfather--That's the reason that Roth gives for trying to kill Mike. He goes into that long story about Moe Green starting Las Vegas and not getting credit for it while he and Michael are in Cuba. Apple--Maybe I'm trying to get too detailed, but exactly what kind of "business" was going on in Cuba? Establishing casinos and the like? I think that Coppola/Puza expected the viewers to have more knowledge about Cuba at the time in order to understand this, but obviously, I don't have it Also, what do you all think Roth and Ola told Fredo in order to get him to betray his brother. Yes, they told him that Michael had a business deal, but what did they offer fredo?
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Re: Further Question on GF II
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04/07/04 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Just Watching: ... what do you all think Roth and Ola told Fredo in order to get him to betray his brother. Yes, they told him that Michael had a business deal, but what did they offer fredo? According to Fredo's own lame explanation to Michael, they really didn't offer him anything specific; just the promise of 'something in it for him', if he helped them out with 'negotations'. That was all the temptation Fredo needed; all the more proof that he was the perfect dupe. It's all right there, in the classic boathouse scene between Mike & Fredo. As for the further detail you seek regarding business conducted in Cuba, I'll let someone else handle it who can perhaps better articulate it. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
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Re: Further Question on GF II
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04/07/04 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by Just Watching: Apple--Maybe I'm trying to get too detailed, but exactly what kind of "business" was going on in Cuba? Establishing casinos and the like? I think that Coppola/Puza expected the viewers to have more knowledge about Cuba at the time in order to understand this, but obviously, I don't have it
i am not too knowledgeable of the way the casinos work exactly, but i think there was a benefit in running a casino/nightclub in cuba because you had (as roth put it) "a partnership with a friendly government". read the transcript i think this best describes the advantage of working in cuba ROTH-Here we are protected -- free to make our profits without key follow with the goddamn Justice Department and the FBI. Ninety miles away, partnership with a friendly government -- ninety miles. It's nothing. Just one small step, looking for a man that wants to be President of the United States -- and having the cash to make it possible. MICHAEL, we're bigger than U.S. Steel.
In my home! In my bedroom, where my wife sleeps! Where my children come and play with their toys. In my home.
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Re: Further Question on GF II
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04/08/04 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by MaryCas: ... One theory is that Fredo opened the drapes in the bedroom. If Fredo did this, and "didn't know it was going to be a hit", then he is stupdier than we suspect... Which is why I do not go along with the theory that it was Fredo who opened the drapes. What Fredo later confessed to Michael was that Roth & Ola promised something in it for him if he helped with negotiations. He had to do this without letting Michael know that he had actually spoken to Johnny Ola. That leaves the possibility that there were other inside men involved with whom Fredo had to work. In all the times this has been discussed, I recall no one considering the two thugs who fired the shots into the bedroom, and were later found dead in the drainage ditch. Michael had wanted them found alive for a reason, and that was to get information on who they were working for and how they got into to the compound. With these two silent, Michael was now on his own and Fredo was out of the woods...for a little while, anyway, until he dug his own grave and spilled the beans at the Superman show. Bottom line is we may never know exactly WHAT it was that Fredo did to help Roth, what he was asked to do, what he told them; it's all up to speculation. I do NOT think he was the one who opened the drapes - they wouldn't have bothered asking him to do such a thing, and even Fredo would become suspicious of THAT. But he obviously WAS involved in a network of communication and activity masterminded by Roth, he provided some kind of information to Ola, somehow made it possible for the hitmen to slip into the compound (and open the drapes) amidst the activity of the all-day First Communion party...and Fredo was the (unwitting) link in the chain that made the assasination attempt possible. AppleOnYa
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