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Re: Five Families Current Involvement with Smaller Families
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Re: Five Families Current Involvement with Smaller Families
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Outside of the NY families and the remaining smaller ones near to them (Jersey, Philly, New England) there isn't much interaction elsewhere between families because there isn't much left elsewhere period. Exactly. The eight families in the Northeast (NY, Philly, Jersey, New England) are the most active and the only families that due to their proximity seem to still have a loose affiliation with one another. Also, the Northeast having the largest Italian-American population provides a strong recruiting pool, albeit a much smaller one than in the past. I could be wrong, but it seems what's left of Chicago and Detroit are entirely separate entities from the rest of LCN. Meaning, you have this cluster of eight families in the NE, so again, there are cases of interaction and shared interests. But I doubt there's any communication between the NE and remaining Midwest guys. However, I wouldn't be surprised if there was still some interaction between Chi and Detroit.
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Re: Five Families Current Involvement with Smaller Families
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Ernie boy reached out to Ralph deleo in Boston to set up a meeting with limone or his guy about shaking down a Brooks brother that was being constructed in the back bay. All the dudes knew each other from the federal system. Guy earnie boy got cool million from the construction companies building the store over awhile. Good stuff. I figured with Deleo right in Somerville, he had to be a go-to guy for NY to NE.
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Re: Five Families Current Involvement with Smaller Families
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Outside of the NY families and the remaining smaller ones near to them (Jersey, Philly, New England) there isn't much interaction elsewhere between families because there isn't much left elsewhere period. Exactly. The eight families in the Northeast (NY, Philly, Jersey, New England) are the most active and the only families that due to their proximity seem to still have a loose affiliation with one another. Also, the Northeast having the largest Italian-American population provides a strong recruiting pool, albeit a much smaller one than in the past. I could be wrong, but it seems what's left of Chicago and Detroit are entirely separate entities from the rest of LCN. Meaning, you have this cluster of eight families in the NE, so again, there are cases of interaction and shared interests. But I doubt there's any communication between the NE and remaining Midwest guys. However, I wouldn't be surprised if there was still some interaction between Chi and Detroit. I should also add that Nicky Skins did meet with New England acting boss Anthony DiNunzio. Another example of connections between a NY family and one of the three smaller remaining families in the Northeast. I should add that Bonanno soldier Vinny Faraci was involved in the Outfit-connected Crazy Horse strip club bust in Vegas back in 2003 but that's one of maybe 2 or 3 examples I can think of going back several years now and very much the exception to the rule. There was a time when there were strong interconnections between the families on a national scale. When guys from nearly every family could meet at a place like Apalachin. But as the years went on, and most families have all but disappeared, there aren't many guys left who know each other or have reason to meet. Outside of the Northeast, the Outfit is sort of on an island by itself in Chicago. The same could generally be said of whatever is left of the mob in Detroit.
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Re: Five Families Current Involvement with Smaller Families
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is philadelphia family under the gambino's too? i read they had a meeting some years ago with john gambino During that meeting, it was mentioned that Philly was having some beef with the Luccheses over South Jersey turf. Was that squashed or it's ongoing?
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Re: Five Families Current Involvement with Smaller Families
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Outside of the NY families and the remaining smaller ones near to them (Jersey, Philly, New England) there isn't much interaction elsewhere between families because there isn't much left elsewhere period. Exactly. The eight families in the Northeast (NY, Philly, Jersey, New England) are the most active and the only families that due to their proximity seem to still have a loose affiliation with one another. Also, the Northeast having the largest Italian-American population provides a strong recruiting pool, albeit a much smaller one than in the past. I could be wrong, but it seems what's left of Chicago and Detroit are entirely separate entities from the rest of LCN. Meaning, you have this cluster of eight families in the NE, so again, there are cases of interaction and shared interests. But I doubt there's any communication between the NE and remaining Midwest guys. However, I wouldn't be surprised if there was still some interaction between Chi and Detroit. chicago was the bully of the midwest having, st.louis, milwaukee and kc under their control the 5 families collective bullied the east coast criminal contact between the two mobs could be catastrophic nowadays
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Re: Five Families Current Involvement with Smaller Families
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Outside of the NY families and the remaining smaller ones near to them (Jersey, Philly, New England) there isn't much interaction elsewhere between families because there isn't much left elsewhere period. Exactly. The eight families in the Northeast (NY, Philly, Jersey, New England) are the most active and the only families that due to their proximity seem to still have a loose affiliation with one another. Also, the Northeast having the largest Italian-American population provides a strong recruiting pool, albeit a much smaller one than in the past. I could be wrong, but it seems what's left of Chicago and Detroit are entirely separate entities from the rest of LCN. Meaning, you have this cluster of eight families in the NE, so again, there are cases of interaction and shared interests. But I doubt there's any communication between the NE and remaining Midwest guys. However, I wouldn't be surprised if there was still some interaction between Chi and Detroit. chicago was the bully of the midwest having, st.louis, milwaukee and kc under their control the 5 families collective bullied the east coast criminal contact between the two mobs could be catastrophic nowadays Why ? Chicago was a shadow of it was,with only 28 made men left the others families like KC,st louis,cleveland are defunct or almost defunct and Detroit with 30-40 made men are more like a camorra clan that a sicilian family,so rebuilt the contact with the East Coast would be better that stay alone.
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Re: Five Families Current Involvement with Smaller Families
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Why ?
Chicago was a shadow of it was,with only 28 made men left the others families like KC,st louis,cleveland are defunct or almost defunct and Detroit with 30-40 made men are more like a camorra clan that a sicilian family,so rebuilt the contact with the East Coast would be better that stay alone.
If Detroit has 30-40 made men I'm having lunch with Chapo Guzman at Taco Bell today. Taco Bell? Come on you know better on this forum. If you could actually determine the exact number of made men based on access to Google from Utah - with enough confidence to chastise other posters - then you I'm having lunch at Cracker Barrel with Donny Osmund.
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Re: Five Families Current Involvement with Smaller Families
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Ivy's point, and a good one at that, is there sure as shit isn't 30-40 made guys in Detroit.
And you can see that clear as day from Utah.
And Chitown, you're getting your info from google just like the rest of us, so don't act like you're any different. I think common sense probably implies "no one really fucking knows the exact numbers of a family" aside from the family itself. These forums are for speculating. It's ok to question, but don't make snide racist digs to other posters as if you are the ultimate authority.
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Re: Five Families Current Involvement with Smaller Families
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I think common sense probably implies "no one really fucking knows the exact numbers of a family" aside from the family itself. These forums are for speculating. It's ok to question, but don't make snide racist digs to other posters as if you are the ultimate authority. Sure its ok to speculate. Its great when you speculate with common sense as well. But no-ones speculating the Westside's at 500 members or the Columbo's 250. Detroit's been argued to death and the common sense is that 30-40 is a reach. To put it mildly. And Furios a great poster, but he's an experienced poster and should know better, this wasn't a lack of education expressed to a noob. So you'll understand the frustration. And 'racist digs'? Chapo's Mexican. Last time I checked Taco Bell's Mexican food. So its racist to say Mexicans eat Mexican food is it? Lets be honest here. You stomped all over Ivy because you didnt like him deriding a high Detroit number. Not for any pretense about attacking Furio or faux racist bullshit.
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Re: Five Families Current Involvement with Smaller Families
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You got ChiTown dead to rights on a number of things. First, his love of playing the geography card. It's often the go to play for those posters who've got nothing else but their zip code to back them up. Second, his pretending like he doesn't use Google or other Internet sources. Ever notice how the biggest frauds on these forums act like getting info online is beneath them? Third, his fake offense at the Taco Bell joke. He did this a lot on the RD forum years ago and it was obviously an act back then too. Fourth, he doesn't care about Detroit's membership but is just trolling.
All that said, getting back to the original point, the FBI had the family at 30 members back in 2001. Even if we assume some members have been made since then, it would be nowhere enough to balance out the 20 or so members/possible members who have died over that time. Much less increase the membership to 40 members or 50+ as some charts have shown. Anyone can see this, regardless of where they live, if they look at the evidence objectively.
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Re: Five Families Current Involvement with Smaller Families
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You got ChiTown dead to rights on a number of things. First, his love of playing the geography card. It's often the go to play for those posters who've got nothing else but their zip code to back them up. Second, his pretending like he doesn't use Google or other Internet sources. Ever notice how the biggest frauds on these forums act like getting info online is beneath them? Third, his fake offense at the Taco Bell joke. He did this a lot on the RD forum years ago and it was obviously an act back then too. Fourth, he doesn't care about Detroit's membership but is just trolling.
All that said, getting back to the original point, the FBI had the family at 30 members back in 2001. Even if we assume some members have been made since then, it would be nowhere enough to balance out the 20 or so members/possible members who have died over that time. Much less increase the membership to 40 members or 50+ as some charts have shown. Anyone can see this, regardless of where they live, if they look at the evidence objectively.
And Furios a great poster Thanks Sonny mightyhealthy
I'm kind of starting to think Furio exists as an elaborate Ivy troll. No mighty I'm a real man not a troll,even in the past I wrote many bullshit but now I try to don't think an every chart on the web. On the detroit family that wiki say has 75 made men,with the motor city where the whites are becoming minority respect to the blacks,the family that is like a mix between a ndrina and a camorra clan was very tight and the only rat was Nove Tocco in the 2000,i tried to made a list I hope must realible I can. Boss Jack "Jackie the Kid" Giacalone Underboss Anthony "Chicago Tony" Lapiana Consigliere Anthony "Tony Pal" Palazzola Street Boss Peter "Specs" Tocco Capos Joseph "Joey Jack" Giacalone Joseph "Joe the Hood" D'Anna David "Davey Ace" Aceto Paul "Big Paulie" Corrado Eugene "Genie Boy" Baratta Dominic Bommarito John "J.P" Bommarito Matthew Bommarito Vincenzo "Vinnie Bro" Brozino b.1966 Pat Carlini Anthony "Little Tony Long" Cimini Dominic "Chicago Dom" Corrado Paul "Cousin Paulie" Corrado Peter "Fat Pete" Corrado Peter "Baby Bull" Corrado John D'intino b.1947 Don Fragale b.1943 Antonio "Tony the Barber" Foglia Michael Galardi b.1947 Patrick "Pat the Pimp" Gatt Anthony "Fat Tony" Giacalone, Jr. Joseph "Little Joey Jack" Giacalone Jack "Jackie the Nose/Jackie Jacks" Giacalone Anthony "Chicago Tony" La Piana b.1942 Robert "Bobby the Animal" La Puma b.1938 William "Billy Lee" Loiacano b.1927 Jack "Little Jack" Lucido Sebastian "Buster" Lucido Isodoro "Teddy San Diego" Matranga b.1948 Joe Messina b.1958 Pete Messina b.1956 Anthony "Little Tony Pal" Palazzola b.1940 Salvatore "Little Sammy Pal" Palazzola Antonio "Toto" Ruggirello John Sciarotta b.1957 Anthony "Little Tony" Tocco, Jr. b.1931 Jack "Little Jackie" Tocco, Jr. Joe Tocco Peter "Little Pete" Tocco, Jr. b.1948 Salvatore "Mops" Tocco Joey Tringale Sam Ventamillia Joe Vicarri Dominic "Fat Dom" Vivio b.1929 Phillip Zerilli Members that flipped Nove Tocco b.1947 flips in the 2000 Members that died since 2000 Carlo Bommarito Sam Lucido Paul Tocco Vito Tocco Danny Triglia Lentine-Salvatore Sammy Soup Tringale-Dominic Lefty Vacari-Dominic Bartolotta-Mateo Mike Bartello Cimini-Anthony Tony Long Corrado-Anthony The Bull DiAngelo-Michael Galici-James Giacalone-Anthony Tony Jack Giacalone-Vito Billy Jack Gianosa-Jack Jackie G Giordano-Salvatore Sammy G Maniaci-Peter Milwaukee Pete Meli-Vincent Little Vince Meli-Vincent Big Vince Morelli-Ronald Hollywood Tocco-Anthony Tony T Tocco-Giacomo Black Jack Tocco-Paul Triglia-Daniel Versaci-Frank Chinky Zerilli-Anthony Tony Z 4 capos and 41 made men
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