Why be mad at Bush?

See, that's partisan thinking. A person can disagree with Obama's policies, or they can disagree with Bush's policies, but not both. With Bush, I disagreed with the invasion of Iraq, and once we were there, the de-Baathification was wrong. However, especially after reading Michael Morell's book "The Great War of Our Time," I can see why Bush AND almost every member of Congress (including Hillary and Kerry) believed that he should have invaded. I also have issue with his new Medicare plan. Another issue is that he wasn't a fighter and allowed himself to get misrepresented without defending himself. At least Obama stands up for himself. On policies though, I disagree with most of them for reasons I can defend, just like I can defend my not liking certain policies of any other president.

Sometimes I'll see people saying that only racists disagree with Obama (not saying that anyone here said that). That's stupid and is in itself racist. It basically says that he's too weak to handle criticism. To me it seems that he's perfectly capable at defending himself, far better than the previous president.

So if you're going to support Obama because he's Obama, then it shows that you're only interested in partisan politics. I've been an independent since I started voting, and I will criticize anyone who I believe is not doing the right thing for the American people.

I think we all know why cook supports Obama. It's the same reason why so many black people do. They don't have the ability to see the guy objectively and will always have the knee jerk inclination to defend him no matter what. And me stating that isn't being racist (in case anyone wants to make that accusation) it's just a fact.

You know there is a lot more youth gang related crime now here in Brooklyn since our Mayor came into office, and he got rid of Ray Kelly. Plus stopping the stop and Frisk.

The crime is ethnic and not white crime.

But that must be not true because we all know ethnic people are being framed. There all innocent.

I would advise everyone to carry a weapon. You get in trouble use it and don't worry about getting arrested. If you do so what at least your still breathing.

Ivy, there are those in the African American community that don't like Obama, but he is better then the last president. He is just not good for a Caucasian health, notably the rich type who loves their money. I voted for him the first time, this last time around I went with an independent.
Footreads, what's next? NYPD start carrying squirt guns? Though it is good see them laying off the other ethnic groups.

There are those in the African American community who don't like Obama? You mean all 5 of them?

And Obama being better than Bush is debatable to say the least.

Carly Fiorina would make a good President. I think Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, or John Kasich would too. Walker I wouldn't mind. I wonder if the next President will be Protestant or Catholic. JFK was the only non-Protestant President we've ever had

Obama is a Protestant?

Officially yes. Some presidents have cared more about religion than others but Obama is documented as being Protestant. Most blacks are.

He is not most blacks he is special. Raised in Moslim countries his daddio was a Moslem until he wound up in Hawaii with mommy nice ghetto. I thought I had it tough. Then he became a Protestant? How did that happen?

But evidently it did happen

Then he goes to Chicago working with gang bangers well he was a real street guy coming from Hawaii he had a lot in common with them.

In Chicago, Obama was a member of a Methodist church that taught Black Liberation Theology, which is a mix of Marxism, liberal Protestant Chistianity, and black nationalism.

It happened because he recognized he had to appear to identify with those who's political support he would need. Most of the black community was Protestant so he played along. Now, mind you, I'm in no way saying Obama is a "secret Muslim." One can see certain leanings of his when it comes to Israel and Palestine but that's due much more to the typical pro-Palestinians/anti-Israel political sentiments many on the left hold. Obama is your classic modern day secular progressive who really couldn't care less about religion.

He's not Muslim. I've never understood people who think he is. It's well documented as Faithful said that he was a member of a Church. A nutty Church that taught black nationalism but still a Church.

But yeah he's definitely more on the progressive side. I mean Roosevelt was technically on the progressive side for the time period. Anyone know how religious he was?

i must know all 5 black people that don't like obama or maybe u don't any black people

you probably don't know any blacks but you're a expert on black people

obama had to clean up bush's MESSES and stabilize the country, he's did a decent job

god help us all, if another bush is elected. if jeb bush is elected we will be at war with Iran, and the whole middle east.

I question the sanity of all bushes.

TR was a member of the Dutch Reformed Church of America. He would probably be considered religiously conservative or evangelical. Politically he was conservative on some issues and progressive on others, but progressivism back then wasn't far to the left like it is today. He was clearly liberal on economic issues in the sense that he was for increased regulation such as being for minimum wage laws and was a known "trust buster."

I actually know several black people and work with a few of them.

What mess of Bush's did Obama clean up? Iraq? By that logic Bush had to clean up Clinton's mess. And Obama completely pulled out of Iraq instead of leaving reserve forces like Bush and others recommended and, well, we saw the result.

But what am I talking to you for? Obama could set an orphanage on fire and you'd find some way to defend him.

Faithful, seeing as you are a man well versed in political lore, I ask you this: you think we're ever going to get a President with true leadership and vision again? Someone like Teddy, or FDR, Reagan, JFK or Lincoln? I hate the goddamn political elite we have today

rockstar, ever is a long time.

I lost respect for Fiorina after she pandered to the psychotic anti-Vaxx folks. You might as well pander to the Hollow Earth folks and Loch Ness Monster believers.

Actually, I take that back. Nobody dies because of the latter two's insanity.

I like Kasich, and if he was the nominee...he might win. But he's running to be the Jon Huntsman of this primary. He's not winning.

Obama has been a better fiscal conservative than the last 3 Republican Presidents. If Dubya had the cut deficit numbers that Obama has, Republicans wouldn't shut up about it for the next 20-30 years.

Then again, Obama in his first term deported more illegal immigrants than Dubya did during his whole Presidency. A fact Dems would like to forget, a fact that Republicans conveniently forget.

You know, there was a psychopath who actually kept that insane asylum of a country contained for eons. Too bad Dubya took his head off and we're paying for it.

It's weird how Bush Sr. foresaw the very thing his boy clearly didn't. People crucified Bush Sr. for not going into Iraq and "finishing the job." But he knew better. Nevermind he had no international consensus/alliance to do that, but he understand that if the Iraqi state was to collapse, there would be chaos that the U.S. forces would be forced to deal with and Iranians would use that opportunity to exert influence over the Shiite community in that country.

A Republican wise/sane with foreign affairs? Would love to see that exist again, instead of simply reactionary posturing.

A leftie on some matters, a rightie on others. But the GOP has become so damn insane, anything considered sane and decent is "liberal" compared to them anymore.

Remember that Ronald Reagan quote: "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. It left me."



Honestly I've not actually "cared" about the Democratic primaries so far, or emotionally invest myself. So I have no opinion about him so far.

2 things however are hilarious:

(1) Hillary once again as heir apparent/cake-walk-to-Presidency is being threatened with being toppled by a supposed "too liberal" candidate that unlike her, seems to stir up some actual passion among the base.

(2) that the candidate that shall supposedly carry the Dems' liberal banner against the Republicans (led by those old white guys)....is an old white guy.

If Hillary gets elected President not long after that Israel will attack irans nuclear program.

Is Carson and old white guy? Is Rubio and Cruz old white guys?

I got a call from Carsons campaign wanting me to get his book and make a donation of 500 dollars towards his campaign.

Bush senior did not go into Iraq because his mandate was to get the Iraqi army out of Kuwait and nothing more.

Bush junior should have put Bush senior in his cabinet and listen to him.

Based on this video of the 1st debate, I support Ben Carson, though all came strong...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufGlBv8Z3NU&feature=youtu.be

you are right about the bushes, George w was a moron compared to his father. just hope we don't get another bush.

Of course. Israel will know they can no more depend on her for support than they could Obama. The Democrats, and liberals in general, have never been friends of Israel and have always been too eager to capitulate to Israel's enemies.