With all this talk about infighting within the bonanos, i was just wondering will he last long enough to be boss when he gets out

No.

This topic has been discussed ad nauseam.

All opinions have been made very clear on this issue under the current light of day. And without new information or circumstances a new thread on this issue is simply rehashing existing opinion ie a waste of time.

Yes he is boss of all bosses

He currently heads the Commission.

So lets discuss it until you guys start puking

Where to begin that he is not the boss? For starters Mancuso is not respected by the other Bronx crews. Mainly he his not respected by the Genovese and Lucchese crews up there, nor his he not respected by the Gambinos as well. Half of the Bonanno family would rather wipe out the Bronx faction of the family then take orders from it. Tommy and Vito could care less of what happens in that crew. Glasses had enough and told Michaels liason that He can be the boss of the tolits for all he cares, but Mancuso will not be boss while Joey, Sal, and Ralph are around, including Vito and Tommy. The only support Mancuso has is from Gottis old guys and the Colombos, though Russo doesn't like him. That sould tell you something.

Joseph massino single handedly destroyed the family, its because of him canada don't listen to the bonannos no more and anybody who takes over the family that can trace thier piwer back to massino will not be recognized

That guy with the nerve to bad mouth John and Joe B.

Hey Giacomo, who's joey, sal, ralph, Vito, and tommy? Also where does that Vinny TV fella fit in? I'm surprised Bruno or his uncle aren't considered, or nick santoro for that matter...

No argument there.


But I wouldn't go that far. Because it rules out everybody who was made pre-2004. And anyone made post-2004 likely lacks the experience to lead. Besides, how can you discount guys like Fat Tony and Nicky Mouth?

Sure, Nicky's perennially broke, but he's as stand up as they come. He and Tony are arguably the two most well-liked old timers in that family. And I'm not just speaking within the Bonannos, they're universally liked and respected by the other families as well. And they both went back over thirty years with Massino.

Do the bonannos have any more made men left in canada?

PB, you forgot Salvatore "Todo", he goes way back and is respected as well within the family and other families. Where Nicky stands it seems to be neutral from Ernest and Vito B meeting with both the Bronx and Queens, but Queens is where the real power is in that family as Vito and Tommy have things running smoothly at the monent. Joey is also married to Vito daughter. Vito and Tommy both have on occasion seeked Salvatore advise. Vinny TV and Sammy are hard to say were they stand, though it is safe to say that Sammy supports Queens. JB is old and might have stepped down, don't know, but Bruno gets out in 7 years.

Yeah, I've been posting for months now that the power has clearly shifted out east into Queens. Even Johnnie Joe--who's liked and respected MUCH more in the Bronx than The Nose--sent his people out that way. He comes home about a year after Mancuso. That's five years down the road, which is an eternity in the street, but unless the whole thing collapses, he'll come home with a lot of say.

He won't be able to move the power back to the Bronx. But the power in that family was never really in the Bronx to begin with. Massino only beefed up that crew as a favor to George and Fat Patty and it turned out to be a big mistake. Probably the biggest mistake that he made as boss (except for ratting lol).

The high profile Basciano years have mislead a lot of people into believing that the Bonannos were bigger in the Bronx than they actually were. And that's not a knock on Vinny, but it is what it is.

So pizzaboy, what do you think will happen when mancuso gets home? Will they just tell him "hey thanks for being the lightening rod, we don't need you anymore", or do you think there will be a power struggle? Do you think he'll step down quietly?

I literally have never heard one good thing said or read about this guy lol

He's a lot of things, but he's not stupid. They won't chase him, they'll let him earn. And I think it will all go down very quietly.

The Queens faction of the Bonannos has the full suport of the Westside and the Luccheses in the Bronx. And, not for nothing, that's a shitload of support.

Maybe give him a captain spot or something eh?

Who knows? He has like four years to go. That's an eternity in the street today. But if things stay status quo, yeah, something like that.

Like him or not (and he's honestly not very well liked), you can't chase a guy who does ten years standing on his head. It's bad policy and would set a terrible precedent.

They should have shelved him after he killed his wife over burned food. Was he a good earner at the time or simply nobody cared anymore about the "honor" and "street code" by then?

this is vito grimaldi were talking about? the guy with the bakery?

'By then'?
Honour is practically a myth in the history of LCN.
Look at the amount of rapists in LCN, the amount of guys who got whacked over money, power, jealousy etc etc. the amount of guys who moved H. Used H. Sold to kids. Extorted the poor working class. Their FELLOW paisan.
Honour? By then?
Never was to start with.

Yes, but what I mean, there sometimes were occasional exemplary "executions" for unnecessary or non-authorized killings.
I mean, Mancuso didn't ask anybody's permission, it could have been a matter of "discipline".
However, I agree about the lack of honor in Cosa Nostra, I just meant that sometimes they "kept the appearances" by whacking "loose cannons".

It's hard to argue with facts. In today's world, Christy Tick would be considered a serial rapist and he'd most certainly be a registered sex offender. He wouldn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting straightened out. Yet due to his involvement in the Commission Case, he's surrounded by a certain mystique that a bunch of morons buy into.

And he's not a wiseguy, but if you've never read the book "Raging Bull," you should. Jake LaMotta casually admits to at least two rapes that he made seem as routine as dinner and a movie. Lowlife scumbag.

Skinny, we are talking about Michael Mancuso, he will never get the Boss position of the Bonanno family. Vito Grimaldi is a capo of zips in Queens. Vito is highly respected. That family has at least 6 soldiers who could actually take the boss spot, and skip the ranks, some of them being former capos or administration members to that family.

Yes

Are you from the northeast?

I don't see mancuso stepping down for anyone, i wouldnt trust him myself because he's close to basciano, but i just don't see him serrendering power

He has no power.

If thats the case, who voted for him to be boss, must be some heavies within the family