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Re: Scoops Licata/Fresolone
[Re: mikeyballs211]
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06/07/16 09:32 AM
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I was just looking at one of the articles George a wrote and it has the list of joes cars. The 98 Camry they listed I'm familiar with. The first time i ever met Mr. Perna was at Wendy's on Washington ave in Belleville right near the North newark border. It had to do with Cetta and money that was owed to one of my players. First a Tahoe pulls up with Ralph the son, this guy Vito M (if your from the Essex county area you know who I'm talking about) and this other guy who just happens to be with them. We're waiting on Mr. P. All of a sudden this beat up old Camry pulls in and the out comes the guy running New Jersey for the Luke's. Obviously he was using this car to avoid survailence. Mr. P. Sided with me over his son in law that day. Mike was wrong. He tried to fuck my player. When you have a book as big as theirs you can't afford to have people start hearing they won't get paid if they win. Mike cetta didn't even show up that day. I don't like to talk about the dead but I never liked him. People used to say, "he's not a gangster, he's a beautician." He cut hair and owned bellaza salon. he talked a good one but he wasn't street. He made money though I'll give him that. The drugs got him in the end. His daughter, Mr p's granddaughter found him with a needle in his arm. Sad.
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Re: Scoops Licata/Fresolone
[Re: mikeyballs211]
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06/07/16 12:05 PM
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So wait Scoops was DBA a NJ Lucchese at the Jackie DiNorscio et al trial but now he's a Philly LCN guy? Or was he always part of Philly mob just indicted alongside a lot of Lucchese guys?
F. Mazola, Esq.
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Re: Scoops Licata/Fresolone
[Re: mikeyballs211]
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06/07/16 06:28 PM
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Joey scoops was always tight with mike perna and did things together even though they were in 2 different crews. the newark area is very tight and most guys know each other. Scoops was with Patty specs and took over his crew when he lambed it. Joey scoops was born and raised down neck ( ironbound) and frequented a club on Adams st. Scarfo jr was sent up to north jersey as a safety net and was made to insulate him. He was an earner and actually a bit on the quiet side, he really was'nt disliked at the time., i gotta be honest. The Perna kids were kind of irrelevent at that point in time so they really didnt have that much interection with him until later. The bs about scarfo wanting to take over philly and that being the reason he was demoted is nonsense. Perhaps that was an excuse but the true reason was the north jersey guys were banking a lot of cash with westchester and there was no reason for scarfo jr to hhave a say in day to day operations while he was more concentrated in south jersey. Newark is a shadow of its former self in terms of OC activity. If you go to the belmont tavern you are most likely going to run into a cop, lawyer, or judge opposed to a mob guy. To me, that shit is over and guys are trying to re live the goodfella era. Its done.
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Re: Scoops Licata/Fresolone
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06/07/16 09:17 PM
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Dante A lot of italians from newark found their way to east hanover and florham park. Most vailsburg guys moved to florham park while bloomfield ave/ north newark went to east hanover. Why? Who knows. To me, Gencarelli's will always be vesuvio's. Lol Biazzi's was also big back in the day. Ask some of your parents about the stone crab, ferarra's, catherines, columbus bakery, paramount bakery, giordano's, garside. I can go on and on. A quick aside. back in the day a lot of these mob guys we talk about today( from newark area) engaged in plenty of strong arm shit like robbery and theft. The avenue was like a flea market with guys going from club to club with swag.
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Re: Scoops Licata/Fresolone
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06/08/16 06:38 AM
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Dante A lot of italians from newark found their way to east hanover and florham park. Most vailsburg guys moved to florham park while bloomfield ave/ north newark went to east hanover. Why? Who knows. To me, Gencarelli's will always be vesuvio's. Lol Biazzi's was also big back in the day. Ask some of your parents about the stone crab, ferarra's, catherines, columbus bakery, paramount bakery, giordano's, garside. I can go on and on. A quick aside. back in the day a lot of these mob guys we talk about today( from newark area) engaged in plenty of strong arm shit like robbery and theft. The avenue was like a flea market with guys going from club to club with swag. Love your posts man. Love hearing from a guy who was around the shit when it was really something to talk about. You nailed it about bloomfield ave nowadays and how the tavern is. I think I can speak for everyone when I say WE appreciate your input.
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Re: Scoops Licata/Fresolone
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06/08/16 01:03 PM
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Ive seen lou around way back when. He actually grew up around the avenue in the village apartments. His old man was a known street guy but not made, louis got into a fight as a kid and killed the guy he was fighting. It was an accident but he had problems. At the time he hung out with nick o jr and thats when nick o stepped in and saw some potenial in big lou. He and lenahan held a benefit for big lou's legal bills hosted by Frank "get your fuckin shine box " Vincent. At the time Nicky O was made amd he took big lou his wings. Big lou knew all the players because of where he grew up and his father. Lou was the youngest of three and his father passed at an early age. Needless to say, his new father figures werent accountants and engineers. Nicky O was a philly guy hence big lou's ascension to the philly family. Big lou was also close to tommy adams and joey sodano. By the way, Nicky O was on record with the gambino's and was loaned out to patty specs back in the day, thats another story.
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Re: Scoops Licata/Fresolone
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06/08/16 02:32 PM
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The whole Scarfo/Philly thing leading to his demotion being an excuse makes sense. That's just how the reporters always put it, but you can't always go by those things, as often times they get it wrong. And I read Fresolones book and he gives the impression that Scarfo Jr was a good guy for the most part. Makes me wonder how he became to be so disliked by those North Jersey Luccheses. I'm gonna be honest, it sounds like a lot of bullshit and jealousy the Pernas had for him. Why do you think the Pernas would be jealous of him? Haven't read Fresolone's book, but how did he paint Scarfo as being a good guy? I've always read Jr was pretty cocky and arrogant, which I though was the reason Joey Merlino and the Young Turks didn't like him (aside from the whole demoting/outcasting the Merlinos by Scarfo Sr incident). Might be the same reasons the Pernas don't.
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Re: Scoops Licata/Fresolone
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06/08/16 03:03 PM
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Nicky O is still made, I dont know how active he is, but at least according to the FBI and those chart things guys make he's still recognized as a member of the Philly Family. The whole Scarfo/Philly thing leading to his demotion being an excuse makes sense. That's just how the reporters always put it, but you can't always go by those things, as often times they get it wrong. And I read Fresolones book and he gives the impression that Scarfo Jr was a good guy for the most part. Makes me wonder how he became to be so disliked by those North Jersey Luccheses. I'm gonna be honest, it sounds like a lot of bullshit and jealousy the Pernas had for him. Why do you think the Pernas would be jealous of him? Haven't read Fresolone's book, but how did he paint Scarfo as being a good guy? I've always read Jr was pretty cocky and arrogant, which I though was the reason Joey Merlino and the Young Turks didn't like him (aside from the whole demoting/outcasting the Merlinos by Scarfo Sr incident). Might be the same reasons the Pernas don't. He paints Nicky Jr in pretty much the same way he was said to be at one point in this thread, a quiet type, and an earner, not cocky or arrogant, from what you've read. And I don't know if that was the reason why he and Joey Merlino didn't get along. In fact he and Joey Merlino were quiet close when they were younger, and the reason for his hit attempt on Nicky Jr, was an attempt to end his fathers control on the mob by proxy , which didn't help , because outside of his own group Merlino wasn't looked at as someone who could run the mob, let alone be made. And as these guys said, when Nicky Scarfo Jr was on the street at that time, earning, the Perna's were young kids, so they had no real interaction with Nicky Jr. Fresolone says Nicky Jr always had a way to make money, and he always thought of new schemes to earn money for himself and those around him. There's also that newspaper article from that guy in AC who knew Nicky Jr & Mark. He says Nicky Jr was a regular guy, he never really flaunted being "wise guy" or used that to push people around and that it was more so Mark who was like that, that was during high school though, Leonetti also said Nicky Jr wasn't like that, and the only reason he was what he was , was because of influence from his father. I don't know how he was as a Lucchese capo, but from the few sources I've read, he was liked by more than a few of those guys as well. But maybe he changed.
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