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Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
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I'm talking guys who have decided to spill their guts, as opposed to "cooperate" with the FBI/Prosecution out of disillusionment or spite, as opposed to not wanting to do prison time.
Only guy that I can immediately think of would be Fat Pete Chiodo, who I'm fairly certain was not Under Indictment (UI) at the time; am I right? There's gotta be others.
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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
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Chiodo had a contract on his life when he flipped, due to taking a plea Casso didn't want him to take. I wouldn't call anyone flipping to save their life acting of their own initiative.
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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
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So regardless of Chido; anyone flip out of spite/initiative/motivation/hate & contempt?
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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
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Scarpa became an informant after getting busted and continued to further his own career.
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Wasn't Scarpa only facing a short jail sentence when he decided to become an informant? I imagine it's the same for that Irish punk Whitey Bulger. Granted those rumors of, "...only facing a short sentence, so & so agreed/decided to become an informant..."
It makes me wonder; did they become an informant to continue being a criminal, or where they genuinely afraid of prison?
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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
[Re: Nicholas]
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Wasn't Scarpa only facing a short jail sentence when he decided to become an informant? I imagine it's the same for that Irish punk Whitey Bulger. Granted those rumors of, "...only facing a short sentence, so & so agreed/decided to become an informant..."
It makes me wonder; did they become an informant to continue being a criminal, or where they genuinely afraid of prison? As I recall he was popped on a highjacking charge. I would presume he wasn't facing much time in the grand scheme of things...particularly since it was the early 60s.
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Little Al was, like Chiodo, facing a murder contract.
Scarpa was an informant, but never "flipped" per se. (If by "flipped" we mean the whole testimony/debrief/witness protection thing). In any event, his cooperation didn't help him at all. Not sure if you're talking about D'Arco, Chiodo, or Scarpa but they were all helped immensely by cooperating.
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In January 1995, Salemme was indicted on racketeering charges along with Bulger and Flemmi. Salemme was convicted and sentenced to 11 years imprisonment. In 1999, while serving his racketeering sentence, Salemme learned that both Bulger and Flemmi were government informants, and that both men had provided information on Salemme to their FBI handlers. Salemme now agreed to provide the government with information on the FBI handling of Bulger and Flemmi. About Chiodo e D'Arco On May 8, 1991 two shooters ambushed Chiodo at a gas station in Staten Island where he was working on a car. Chiodo received 12 bullet wounds in the arms, legs, and torso, but survived the attack.[1][3] Doctors credited Chiodo's 500 pound (227 kg.) weight for saving his life; his massive girth prevented the bullets from penetrating a vital organ or artery.[4] Following the unsuccessful assassination attempt, Lucchese mobsters delivered a blunt threat to Chiodo's lawyer that they would kill Chiodo's wife if he testified, a violation of a longstanding Mafia rule against harming women. While Chiodo had turned down several offers to flip, the threat against his wife was the last straw. He opted to break his blood oath and become a government witness, by his own account, to protect his family.[5] The government quickly brought Chiodo's immediate family into the federal Witness Protection Program.
With the failure of his gunmen to murder Chiodo, D'Arco soon became afraid of the wrath of his bosses. After a 1991 meeting during which he feared being murdered, D'Arco went into hiding and soon became a government witness himself Casso was so blood thirsty that ordered to kill the sister and the uncle of Chiodo,acting more like totò riina than a american boss On March 10, 1992, Lucchese associate Michael Spinelli shot Patricia Capozallo, Chiodo's sister, while she was driving in Bensonhurst. Capozallo suffered wounds to the arm, back and neck but survived.[6][7] On February 2, 1993, the body of Frank Signorino, Chiodo's uncle, was found in the trunk of a car in East New York. The body displayed several gunshot wounds to the head Accetturo flipped because if but a contract on him and his son was in the rules,to target a woman (his wife) was against all rules.So flipped He also learned that Amuso and Casso had marked his wife for death. Although Accetturo had known that Amuso and Casso had put contracts on both him and his son, the discovery that they were targeting his wife as well was the last straw. Not only did it violate a long-standing Mafia rule against harming women, but Mrs. Acceturo had served many of them meals in headier days. Bill Cutolo jr that flipped because little al persico when killed his father who was the underboss, and former loyal to Vic Orena treated badly his body.
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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/nyregion/10mob.html?pagewanted=print&_r=0James Tartaglione, a onetime Bonanno family captain who became a government witness in 2003 and has testified against fellow mobsters in several recent trials, explained the distinction to a jury in 2004. “There’s people that go out there, just have a knack for earning money,” Mr. Tartaglione said at the trial of Bonanno boss Joseph Massino, an earner in his own right who was forced to give up more than $9 million in ill-gotten gains after he was convicted of murder and racketeering, and then agreed to cooperate with prosecutors. “They know how to put businesses together, and they are just good at what they do, as far as business. Then you got those tough guys that could go out and kill somebody and do whatever they have to do.”[b][/b] Why Tartaglione is differet ? murder and racketeering,don't wan't the life and so rat, why is out of his iniative ?
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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
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D'Arco wasnt even facing charges but I guess if saving your own ass is 'initiative' then he would qualify. Tartaglione is the best posted example. Why Tartaglione is a good example ? D'arco flipped for save the his and his son al jr life; tartaglione flipped because was facing murder and racketeering and don't wan't to die in prison.
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Re: Guys who have flipped out of their own initiative
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tartaglione flipped because was facing murder and racketeering and don't wan't to die in prison. Youre incorrect regards Tartaglione. He was facing Zero charges at the time but flipped due to anticipation of charges following Massino's rolling to the feds.
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