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Re: Honest rats
[Re: Tonytough]
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10/21/15 08:40 AM
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Well fat Pete Chiodo only cooperated because gas & vic tried to kill him because he took a plea without consulting with them first. He didn't rat to avoid jail time. Good example of creating your own rat.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Honest rats
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10/21/15 11:32 AM
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Nope. They all have the same bullshit excuse. That they were doing it for revenge and not to dodge prison time.
It's true enough in some cases, though. Once in a while they do create their own rats by bullying their own crew members, short changing and embarrassing them in public, etc.
Greg DePalma's a good example. I'm not excusing them, but he two-faced every rat in the Scores case into flipping. Wasn't it basically the same situation with Casso? Him being so paranoid, ordering murders of people he "suspected" of being rats who really weren't, and giving his infamous "whack Jersey" order probably didn't help him. Chiodo, D'Arco, and Accetturo (along with others in the Jersey crew) flipped because Casso was a homicidal maniac who basically pushed them into the arms of the government. I'm sure there are others from the Lucchese's who flipped at that time too that I can't remember. PB - I know you are well versed on this, so I will ask even though you've probably been asked before. What rank in the family did Crea have at the time Tony Ducks went to prison, and how much power/respect did he have from the rest of the family? In my opinion, it seems that Corallo could have drastically changed the future of the family back then by choosing Stevie (or somebody else who was highly respected) instead of giving the power to Vic and Gas.
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Re: Honest rats
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10/21/15 12:26 PM
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If you mean when Ducks went to prison for life after the Commission Case, Stevie didn't have his button yet. But once he got made he made so much money with the DiNapolis in the construction business that he shot up very fast.
If you mean when Ducks died in in the early 2000s, everyone was deferring to Stevie by that point. After he did his own bit and came home himself, he was for all intents and purposes the Boss by then.
And before anyone mentions FBI charts or whatever, I'm not saying that it was official. But here, in New York, ON THE STREET, WHERE IT MATTERS, he was already running things.
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Re: Honest rats
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10/21/15 01:01 PM
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Your safer in prison and maybe after a few years the bosses forget. If you mean prison vs. the street, you're right. If you mean prison vs. Witness Protection, you're crazy. The rat program is much safer than prison.
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Re: Honest rats
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10/21/15 02:11 PM
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Surely Burton Kaplan deserves an honorable mention. Yeah good mention Moe. Kaplan only flipped during his time inside after his daughter gave him his grandchild. No talk about revenge or whatever, just wanted to spend his last few years with his family.
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Re: Honest rats
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10/22/15 01:07 PM
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If you mean when Ducks went to prison for life after the Commission Case, Stevie didn't have his button yet. But once he got made he made so much money with the DiNapolis in the construction business that he shot up very fast.
If you mean when Ducks died in in the early 2000s, everyone was deferring to Stevie by that point. After he did his own bit and came home himself, he was for all intents and purposes the Boss by then.
And before anyone mentions FBI charts or whatever, I'm not saying that it was official. But here, in New York, ON THE STREET, WHERE IT MATTERS, he was already running things. louie dadione i thought he was the boss in the early 2000s i thought steve ran things in the late 90s and he was kicking up alot of money to vic its why vic ordered joe defede to be killed because he thought he was skimming the family operations
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Re: Honest rats
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10/22/15 01:30 PM
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If you mean when Ducks went to prison for life after the Commission Case, Stevie didn't have his button yet. But once he got made he made so much money with the DiNapolis in the construction business that he shot up very fast.
If you mean when Ducks died in in the early 2000s, everyone was deferring to Stevie by that point. After he did his own bit and came home himself, he was for all intents and purposes the Boss by then.
And before anyone mentions FBI charts or whatever, I'm not saying that it was official. But here, in New York, ON THE STREET, WHERE IT MATTERS, he was already running things. louie dadione i thought he was the boss in the early 2000s i thought steve ran things in the late 90s and he was kicking up alot of money to vic its why vic ordered joe defede to be killed because he thought he was skimming the family operations daidone was the consigliere and one time acting boss , he was prob acting for crea by then
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Re: Honest rats
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Crea was never consigliere , he was official underboss from the early 90s , he was then acting boss before he went to prison , daidone acted for crea whilst he was in prison and wen he was released I think we all know what is position is no he served as acting consglierie al d`arco talks about it in his book. Al was acting boss steve acting consglierie cant remember who the acting underboss was. It only lasted 12 months then casso and amuso decided to get rid of the acting positions and make a panel. 1991 i think it was he was acting consglierie it was the day after this that steve and al met up plotted killing battera steve was according to al fuming he was ready for war
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Re: Honest rats
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That's the first I heard of Daidone acting for Crea. I thought Amuso instated Daidone after De Fede skimmed.
Daidone didn't go with Al and Crea's plot. He was loyal to the end
Moe are you starting to follow these guys now ?? You fired that out like you are.....
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Re: Honest rats
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10/22/15 04:17 PM
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On the street--in New York--WHERE IT MATTERS--That entire family has been deferring to Stevie and the Bronx/Westchester faction (which would include the last East Harlem holdouts back then)--for the past fifteen plus years.
And again, I'm not using terms like "official," or "acting." Only the fucking Feds and the media use those terms. I'm just stating factually and once and for all fucking time, that Stevie is the guy who's been steering that ship for fifteen plus years. When he was away, all you have to do is look at the panel that was standing in for him at the time. Hand picked, with Joey DiNapoli holding the deciding vote. And if you don't know them, you have no fucking idea how close Stevie is to all of the DiNapolis, including Vinny, rest in peace.
Oh, it's Salerno. Mikey Salerno. And all you have for evidence is that midget's word. Joey Giampa beat that murder at trial in an era where wiseguys were getting life without parole in droves.
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Re: Honest rats
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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10/22/15 04:21 PM
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That's the first I heard of Daidone acting for Crea. I thought Amuso instated Daidone after De Fede skimmed.
Daidone didn't go with Al and Crea's plot. He was loyal to the end.
what i never said dadione went with al and creas plot? i said he understood the life inside out
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Re: Honest rats
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10/22/15 04:27 PM
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On the street--in New York--WHERE IT MATTERS--That entire family has been deferring to Stevie and the Bronx/Westchester faction (which would include the last East Harlem holdouts back then)--for the past fifteen plus years.
And again, I'm not using terms like "official," or "acting." Only the fucking Feds and the media use those terms. I'm just stating factually and once and for all fucking time, that Stevie is the guy who's been steering that ship for fifteen plus years. When he was away, all you have to do is look at the panel that was standing in for him at the time. Hand picked, with Joey DiNapoli holding the deciding vote. And if you don't know them, you have no fucking idea how close Stevie is to all of the DiNapolis, including Vinny, rest in peace.
Oh, it's Salerno. Mikey Salerno. And all you have for evidence is that midget's word. Joey Giampa beat that murder at trial in an era where wiseguys were getting life without parole in droves.
i agree with you i was talking early 2000s things last ten/15 years have been steve and hooks and yearh Joey DiNapoli i think anthony blue eyes is now steves top guy hooks is getting old and so is joey DiNapoli why are you biting my head of? i spell the guys name wrong. I would think al would know alot but maybe your right you obviously seem knowledgeable about these guys
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