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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
[Re: ItalianIrishMix]
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12/08/15 09:57 AM
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Maybe the money they pull in isn't really worth dying for.
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
[Re: ItalianIrishMix]
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12/08/15 12:03 PM
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Just Like Unc Always Would Say Make Money Not Headlines.!!!!! Listen Phil N will not be taken the top spot anytime soon.. You have Chickie C. Hes the Oldest of all of them so if anything Its his Spot by rights.. So Look Out Philly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET DOWN OR LAY DOWN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
[Re: ItalianIrishMix]
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12/08/15 02:33 PM
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Chickie Chang IS NOT going to be boss, not in this day and age. He's 80+ years old..The days of the old guys reigning supreme as boss are over and have been since the 80's. If you notice guys took the reigns around the ages of 50-65, when you look at Philly. That stopped once Nicky Scarfo came along. Then Joey Merlino. It's been that way in most of the other places as well, with rare exceptions. I even doubt if Chickie wants that title. He's perfectly fine with his acting UB position, in which he just mostly aides his son, Johnny who handles the daily activity of an actual underboss.
As others have mentioned though, odds are the money isn't worth fighting over. Considering you hear stories of guys like George Borgesi, who was upset of his lack of earning and business opportunities, who was said to be raising a fuss about it. Instead of it going to the streets, or the "mattresses". He simply got his own group of guys around him and is loansharking and booking for union guys. And there hasn't been word of anybody being forced to kick up anything. They're all scraping the bottom of the barrel, so why go to war over that, with no real gain at stake?
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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12/08/15 04:01 PM
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He's perfectly fine with his acting UB position, in which he just mostly aides his son, Johnny who handles the daily activity of an actual underboss. Are you by any chance close to the Changs? How would you know if he's fine with that position? Assuming he even has that position. I love it when posters around here can actually understand the current feelings of alleged underbosses lol. Maybe he only took it because they wanted him to have it. Do you realize how sad Philly has become? We might as well talk about them in the past tense. The only reason we're not seeing any fights or shootings is because there's nothing left. What are you gonna fight over? A book? smh Pretty sure that's what I just said. And no, I'm not close to the Changs or anyone else in Philadelphia. But when the likes of George Anastasia reports that 80+ year old Chickie was given the UB spot in NAME only, simply because of his years as a stand up guy, and that is in turn co-signed by other mob reporters who deal with Philadelphia, and you have yet to hear otherwise from the Philly natives on here, or any reporter stating different, that's pretty much all you can go on. He's an advisor, that's it. The guys 80+ years old, again, you're telling me he desires a boss position, for what? What would be the benefits of that for him? Other than a target on his back? I love it when some noob signs up with Soprano character's name and thinks he's more in the know than anyone else. All we have to go on are FBI reports and news articles. News articles state Chickie is comfortable where he is.
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
[Re: SinatraClub]
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12/08/15 04:09 PM
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He's perfectly fine with his acting UB position, in which he just mostly aides his son, Johnny who handles the daily activity of an actual underboss. Are you by any chance close to the Changs? How would you know if he's fine with that position? Assuming he even has that position. I love it when posters around here can actually understand the current feelings of alleged underbosses lol. Maybe he only took it because they wanted him to have it. Do you realize how sad Philly has become? We might as well talk about them in the past tense. The only reason we're not seeing any fights or shootings is because there's nothing left. What are you gonna fight over? A book? smh Pretty sure that's what I just said. And no, I'm not close to the Changs or anyone else in Philadelphia. But when the likes of George Anastasia reports that 80+ year old Chickie was given the UB spot in NAME only, simply because of his years as a stand up guy, and that is in turn co-signed by other mob reporters who deal with Philadelphia, and you have yet to hear otherwise from the Philly natives on here, or any reporter stating different, that's pretty much all you can go on. He's an advisor, that's it. The guys 80+ years old, again, you're telling me he desires a boss position, for what? What would be the benefits of that for him? Other than a target on his back? I love it when some noob signs up with Soprano character's name and thinks he's more in the know than anyone else. All we have to go on are FBI reports and news articles. News articles state Chickie is comfortable where he is. When did I claim to know more than anyone else? I'm not the one who claims to know the mindstate of Chickie Chang. And when did I say Chickie wanted the boss position? You sound like you have a head problem. Wanna keep assuming about what other people think? I ain't no noob my friend. As far as my name goes, didn't you name yourself after a rat's book? Good luck with that. Smh
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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12/08/15 05:11 PM
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He's perfectly fine with his acting UB position, in which he just mostly aides his son, Johnny who handles the daily activity of an actual underboss. Are you by any chance close to the Changs? How would you know if he's fine with that position? Assuming he even has that position. I love it when posters around here can actually understand the current feelings of alleged underbosses lol. Maybe he only took it because they wanted him to have it. Do you realize how sad Philly has become? We might as well talk about them in the past tense. The only reason we're not seeing any fights or shootings is because there's nothing left. What are you gonna fight over? A book? smh Pretty sure that's what I just said. And no, I'm not close to the Changs or anyone else in Philadelphia. But when the likes of George Anastasia reports that 80+ year old Chickie was given the UB spot in NAME only, simply because of his years as a stand up guy, and that is in turn co-signed by other mob reporters who deal with Philadelphia, and you have yet to hear otherwise from the Philly natives on here, or any reporter stating different, that's pretty much all you can go on. He's an advisor, that's it. The guys 80+ years old, again, you're telling me he desires a boss position, for what? What would be the benefits of that for him? Other than a target on his back? I love it when some noob signs up with Soprano character's name and thinks he's more in the know than anyone else. All we have to go on are FBI reports and news articles. News articles state Chickie is comfortable where he is. When did I claim to know more than anyone else? I'm not the one who claims to know the mindstate of Chickie Chang. And when did I say Chickie wanted the boss position? You sound like you have a head problem. Wanna keep assuming about what other people think?I ain't no noob my friend. As far as my name goes, didn't you name yourself after a rat's book? Good luck with that. Smh Yet, you just tried to claim what I was saying about Chickie, and him being comfortable with his current position was unfounded...Lol, okay. Fact is, FBI reports and news articles claim him to be UB in title only, a position which they claim, he's happy with because he deals mostly with his son only. Recent articles have him attempting to bridge the gap between the Merlino & Borgesi, simply by giving suggestions. Until they report otherwise, or report that he has some newfound desire to run things, maybe you'll have a point.
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
[Re: SinatraClub]
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12/08/15 05:43 PM
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Fact is, FBI reports and news articles claim him to be UB in title only, a position which they claim, he's happy with because he deals mostly with his son only. Recent articles have him attempting to bridge the gap between the Merlino & Borgesi, simply by giving suggestions. Until they report otherwise, or report that he has some newfound desire to run things, maybe you'll have a point. Even if someone did report that he was happy with his position then that sill leaves a lot of questions. I find it amazing that you can read a report about someone's state of mind and then run with it like it's gospel. What do you do when posters with "inside" knowledge tell you something? Sal Polisi's lack of credibility doesn't bother you? Maybe we should take those "reports" with a grain of salt, instead of passing them off as facts.
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
[Re: SonnyBlackstein]
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12/09/15 12:12 AM
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Sinatra, You have no idea if Chickie has no desire to be boss and to come and out categorically state he wont be and has no desire to be is simply wrong.
Moreso when you're called out about it you insult the guy who called you out. Cifaretto never said Chickie had desires to be boss, you're the only one who stated his intentions. You then call the guy a noob and insult his moniker.
Put simply, you're wrong on all counts here. Read the articles, read the reports. I'm not stating he has no desire to be boss, the articles and reports do, and like I said, I doubt he even wants the spot, which means in my opinion, based off of those articles and my knowledge of Philly LCN in the past and where it is now, as incomplete as that current knowledge may be. And just look at the landscape, what mobster do you know in the past 30 years who came home, whether it was Philadelphia or elsewhere, where he was 80+ years old, fresh out of prison and appointed boss? He was given the spot he has for a reason. In fact, just to put an end to this, from guys like George Anastasia & Scott Burnstein there was speculation that Chickie would be named Acting Boss when he came home, out of respect. He wasn't. He got his sons position, in name only. Now if it was speculated by the likes of those guys that he would've been named acting boss out of respect, and it turns out he got his son's spot, in title. Doesn't that say he didn't want the position? He's an advisor, all the articles have stated that he and those around him are comfortable with where he is now. "Insulted" please. I simply used his exact analogy that he used when trying to tell me I'm wrong for stating the obvious. And you can't tell me I'm wrong for stating the obvious either. When there's an article, FBI report, a member who for a fact states Chickie Ciangalini is boss of the Philadelphia LCN, come back and say "I told you so.." prove me wrong. Until then, I don't know what to tell you, buddy.
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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12/09/15 12:14 AM
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Fact is, FBI reports and news articles claim him to be UB in title only, a position which they claim, he's happy with because he deals mostly with his son only. Recent articles have him attempting to bridge the gap between the Merlino & Borgesi, simply by giving suggestions. Until they report otherwise, or report that he has some newfound desire to run things, maybe you'll have a point. Even if someone did report that he was happy with his position then that sill leaves a lot of questions. I find it amazing that you can read a report about someone's state of mind and then run with it like it's gospel. What do you do when posters with "inside" knowledge tell you something? Sal Polisi's lack of credibility doesn't bother you? Maybe we should take those "reports" with a grain of salt, instead of passing them off as facts. Read my posts, what I said was when you read reports and articles, and the Philly natives on this forum and others like it, co-sign that information, odd's are thats the way it is, NOT JUST the articles. Nobody Chickie Chang wants to be boss. NOBODY is saying that he's in the running. NOBODY. The evidence just isn't there. Nobody insulted you, like I said, I used the same exact analogy you used when you stated "I love it when guys assume yada yada yada..." I'm not assuming anything, people on this forum will tell I contribute a lot with these discussions. Especially Philly, I'm not from there, nor I have ever claimed to be. But I read, I research things and use some of that in what I say on here, if someone from Philly who actually knows these guys tells me I'm wrong, I'm always the first to accept it. This isn't coming out of nowhere, he's been home for about a year and a half, and there's nothing out there, from natives on here, or Anastasia or any other writer, or the feds themselves, that Chickie Chang is going to be boss in the near future or at all. Nothing. Ask Serp, HandsomeStevie, NickyWhip, any of them, don't take my word for it, if it's clearly so troubling for you that I say Chickie Chang becoming boss is unlikely, very unlikely. Maybe one of their words would do better for you.
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
[Re: ItalianIrishMix]
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12/09/15 04:09 AM
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Chickie Chang becoming boss is NEVER GONNA HAPPEN! Period.
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
[Re: SinatraClub]
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12/09/15 09:07 AM
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Fact is, FBI reports and news articles claim him to be UB in title only, a position which they claim, he's happy with because he deals mostly with his son only. Recent articles have him attempting to bridge the gap between the Merlino & Borgesi, simply by giving suggestions. Until they report otherwise, or report that he has some newfound desire to run things, maybe you'll have a point. Even if someone did report that he was happy with his position then that sill leaves a lot of questions. I find it amazing that you can read a report about someone's state of mind and then run with it like it's gospel. What do you do when posters with "inside" knowledge tell you something? Sal Polisi's lack of credibility doesn't bother you? Maybe we should take those "reports" with a grain of salt, instead of passing them off as facts. Read my posts, what I said was when you read reports and articles, and the Philly natives on this forum and others like it, co-sign that information, odd's are thats the way it is, NOT JUST the articles. Nobody Chickie Chang wants to be boss. NOBODY is saying that he's in the running. NOBODY. The evidence just isn't there. Nobody insulted you, like I said, I used the same exact analogy you used when you stated "I love it when guys assume yada yada yada..." I'm not assuming anything, people on this forum will tell I contribute a lot with these discussions. Especially Philly, I'm not from there, nor I have ever claimed to be. But I read, I research things and use some of that in what I say on here, if someone from Philly who actually knows these guys tells me I'm wrong, I'm always the first to accept it. This isn't coming out of nowhere, he's been home for about a year and a half, and there's nothing out there, from natives on here, or Anastasia or any other writer, or the feds themselves, that Chickie Chang is going to be boss in the near future or at all. Nothing. Ask Serp, HandsomeStevie, NickyWhip, any of them, don't take my word for it, if it's clearly so troubling for you that I say Chickie Chang becoming boss is unlikely, very unlikely. Maybe one of their words would do better for you. I find it hilarious that you think that I think Chickie will become boss someday. I've never said it or even hinted that. So, you not only claim to know the mindset of Chickie Chang, you claim to know the mindset of other posters, myself lol. You got called out because you have no idea what you're talking about, not because I or anyone else believe some neanderthal who spent over 30 years incarcerated and can hardly walk will become boss. You wanna tell me what I think about the future of the Gambino family? I'd love to hear this. Then you are so insecure that you feel the need to tell me you 'contribute' a lot. You got called out because you were wrong. If I were you, I'd swallow my pride and try to have a little more respect for my fellow man next time. I never called you names and I never passed off something I could never be sure of as a fact. Your arrogance has messed you up bad. I can't help but wonder how old you are.
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
[Re: ItalianIrishMix]
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http://aboutthemafia.com/tag/phil-narducciPhilly Mafia remains splintered but adds some new blood The Philadelphia mafia remains at least by traditional mob standards to be a dysfunctional family as various factions try and coexist on the streets. According to sources this hasn’t stopped the Philly mob from adding to its ranks with a recent making ceremony led by alleged boss Joseph “Skinny Joey” Merlino. At least three new members were inducted into themafia in Philadelphia, according to sources one of which was somehow related to Phil Narducci. With the current instability within the family the move to induct one of Narducci’s guys seems to be a sort of good will gesture to keep things peaceful. Even with the addition of some new blood the family remains fractured into various factions representing two different eras of the crime family’s history according to Scott Burnstein and his Gangsterreport. The Scrafo era mobsters from the 1980’s are separated into two faction, one led by Phil Narducci and another by Joseph “Joey Pung” Pungitore. The Merlino faction from the 90’s which was once whole has now been split into two camps, one backing alleged family boss Joey Merlino and another backing former Merlino consigliereGeorge Borgesi. Recent tensions between Borgesi and former underboss Marty Angelina caused a break in the Merlino faction according to reports. Sources confirm that Merlino tried to mediate the dispute unsuccessfully among the childhood friends after Borgesi requested permission to kill Angelina for moving in on his rackets while he was in prison. Borgesi is believed to now be establishing a power base mostly backed by non-made guys outside of South Philly. Things remain quiet overall as the factions have peacefully co-existed so far with acting boss Steven Mazzoneas a sort of intermediary between the key players in Merlino and Narducci who have never seen eye to eye. The feds maintain that Merlino is currently the official boss of the family with Mazzone serving as acting boss handling day to day operations whileJohn “Johnny Chang” Ciancagliniserves as underboss. Former acting boss Joseph Ligambi and veteran mobster Joseph “Chickie” Ciangcaglini both serve as dual consigliere’s. Although it seems with the various factions that have developed the Philly mafia may not be fully functioning along the lines of the traditional mafia structure. Merlino remains in Florida, where he has lived since his release from prison in 2011 but has made several trips back to Philadelphia and the Jersey Shore in the last few months now that he is off parole and has no limitations. Although some believe he is being influenced by some of his key people to spend more time in Philly overseeing things on the streets. It seems the mob in the City of Brotherly Love is a powder keg which could explode at any time and with the history of this Cosa Nostra family it would be a surprise to no one if things eventually became violent.
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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12/09/15 05:01 PM
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http://aboutthemafia.com/tag/phil-narducciPhilly Mafia remains splintered but adds some new blood The Philadelphia mafia remains at least by traditional mob standards to be a dysfunctional family as various factions try and coexist on the streets. According to sources this hasn’t stopped the Philly mob from adding to its ranks with a recent making ceremony led by alleged boss Joseph “Skinny Joey” Merlino. At least three new members were inducted into themafia in Philadelphia, according to sources one of which was somehow related to Phil Narducci. With the current instability within the family the move to induct one of Narducci’s guys seems to be a sort of good will gesture to keep things peaceful. Even with the addition of some new blood the family remains fractured into various factions representing two different eras of the crime family’s history according to Scott Burnstein and his Gangsterreport. The Scrafo era mobsters from the 1980’s are separated into two faction, one led by Phil Narducci and another by Joseph “Joey Pung” Pungitore. The Merlino faction from the 90’s which was once whole has now been split into two camps, one backing alleged family boss Joey Merlino and another backing former Merlino consigliereGeorge Borgesi. Recent tensions between Borgesi and former underboss Marty Angelina caused a break in the Merlino faction according to reports. Sources confirm that Merlino tried to mediate the dispute unsuccessfully among the childhood friends after Borgesi requested permission to kill Angelina for moving in on his rackets while he was in prison. Borgesi is believed to now be establishing a power base mostly backed by non-made guys outside of South Philly. Things remain quiet overall as the factions have peacefully co-existed so far with acting boss Steven Mazzoneas a sort of intermediary between the key players in Merlino and Narducci who have never seen eye to eye. The feds maintain that Merlino is currently the official boss of the family with Mazzone serving as acting boss handling day to day operations whileJohn “Johnny Chang” Ciancagliniserves as underboss. Former acting boss Joseph Ligambi and veteran mobster Joseph “Chickie” Ciangcaglini both serve as dual consigliere’s. Although it seems with the various factions that have developed the Philly mafia may not be fully functioning along the lines of the traditional mafia structure. Merlino remains in Florida, where he has lived since his release from prison in 2011 but has made several trips back to Philadelphia and the Jersey Shore in the last few months now that he is off parole and has no limitations. Although some believe he is being influenced by some of his key people to spend more time in Philly overseeing things on the streets. It seems the mob in the City of Brotherly Love is a powder keg which could explode at any time and with the history of this Cosa Nostra family it would be a surprise to no one if things eventually became violent. Wow, 4 factions! Thanks Furio!
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