After the wars in Syria and Libya have created a biblical exodus of people trying to save themselves. As usual Italy has been left alone, while the Scandinavian countries are deciding to expel the refugees, in Hungary the government has created a wall to reject those who try to enter Europe.
and 'it is talking to suspend Schengen, and then the free circulation of persons between the European states.

Viewed from Italy the situation is not good what do you think?

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I think a better question would be "Is Europe committing suicide?"

Faith I would write is the europe going to fuck up but maybe was volgar so choose this title.

How and why would they suspend the Schengen rules?

Citizens of european countries can travel freely, and American passport holders with stamp of entry from euro country can travel freely from one place to the next...but it's not a free pass for anyone to just cross border.

refugee wouldn't have required paperwork to go from A to B, right?


I have a hard time believing that big business isn't going to take advantage of this pool of potential cheap labor. Can Europe now rebuild manufacturing sector?

Charity and welfare are one thing, but I don't think that was the full motivation for allowing all those people into Europe.there has to be a way to integrate them into the workforce.

Schengen mean that every persone that arrive on a Schengen protocol country for example the italy can go to france without that someone ask the identity card or a paperwork. Now most if not all of the refuges want to go in the north europe (UK, norway,sweden , Belgium ecc).
But until there little quantity of refuges the nord country welcome them but with a largest numbers of refuges the Welfare become crippled and decided to dont accept another quantity of people.
In the UK that stay in europe but decided to dont accept the euro,decided with the france to sospend Schengen and re put the control on the borse.

Now if a single state can decide to sospend Schengen the other Step will be to go out from the euro for economic reasons.

So the European Union Shows that until the things go well every state stay ok but after the things go wrong the EU was a nutshell.
Sad but true.

Thanks for the correction,Furio.

In light of that, I think in the future they may alter or suspend Schengen and the EU because there are no uniform immigration rules. Immigrant can just enter a country with lax rules/border and make their way to a country with strict rules.

A country HAS to be able to protect or screen her borders.

In June the UK has a referendum to see if we are going to stay in the EU. Nothing against the rest of Europe but we have had enough of putting more in and getting little back. Also we are sick of being told what to do by France and Germany and all their lackeys who run the EU.

Yogi as italian I had enough of the axe Berlin-Paris and of the fucking north European country that want to give the lession to us.
For me you british can easly go out EU and remain alone and I dream an union with all the countries that stay on the mediterranean sea that had the same problems and can easly help each other.
You from north Europe stay together that us from the mediterranean can stay alone

Okay, if England leaves the EU, there will still be 27 nations in the EU. So, what effect would that have on English trade relations?

I hope we leave the EU. But this campaign is full of scaremongering and about the civil disupute in the tories. I am a tory and we hear all this stuff about how it is going to help boris become PM in june if we leave. And all the spinning on figures.
Reading michael gove piece on why he wants to leave is insightful. Trade will still happen olivant. three million jobs here are link to eu and 5 million jobs in eu are linked to uk economy. So basically we rely on each other.

However Short, England's withdrawal might lead to the imposition of tariffs, right?

Also, the referendum is non-binding on Parliament?

Nothing will happen olivant. The UK doesn't use the euro, and is in the EU only be name. The dangerous was when the Greece wanted to Leave the EU and the problem would be was will be the end of milion of useless banknotes ?

However me too think that the UK will gonna go out of EU.

maybe but this is all part of the negotiations if we leave which will take around two years. Maybe we leave entirely or maybe we become like iceland and norway which imo is worse. Because we still pay for membership but still have to enforce eu laws. And all referendums are non binding but if we vote to leave cameron wont say, "no we arent going to leave"

So, why did England join the EU in the first place and what is the incentive for it to leave?

uk joined in 75 or 73, i cant remember but it was called the eec. it was a common market, but slowly and in the 80's when it all started, it began to become a united state of europe. UK has never wanted that as a nation. people say it benefits because of trade but we will trade with europe anyway if we leave. Farage is right, the ukip leader, lets be friends and good neighbours but we wont be part of this superstate

“Heavy fog over Channel. Continent isolated.”... 

The british love their island and love to stay alone. So why the UK joint the EU but remained with the pound ? Because lived to say to the EU "if we will continue to stay in EU, what are the benefits ?" And so the EU gave many many benefits because the UK will continue to stay in EU.
Now that the EU is in crisis the british want to to Leave the sinking boat.

So british want to Leave ? Ok that all right the trade will be the same and dont kill too desperates that try to leave dunkerque for cross the Channel and land on the "continent".

Cannot wait for us to leave the EU!!! Having to be dictated to by European government thugs dictating our laws. I am English, I never would consider myself European, I want good relations but do not want to be connected to European countries in any way. Too often our economy gets dragged down by European failures.
As it stands, if we wanted to we could never bring back the death penalty because of an EU ruling, who the hell are they to make our laws! Also I remember these disgraceful Liberal EU council members saying we had to give criminals with serious offences their right to vote because it violated their civil rights. Hopefully when we leave we can harden our weak immigration policy also. 60 million people on a tiny island is utterly ridiculous as it is.

We're agree nicky. We dont want you because you british oreder to stay in your island ignoring the continent;and you dont want to stay in EU because think that the EU impose it law.

What I'd like to know is from which EU nation will the antichrist emerge.

I'm amazed at how many people over here think the EU will end..

The EU isn't going anywhere for the foreseeable future..

Billy, the European Union was born as an idea in the 50s, first as an economic community and then as a set of states.
Was yearn for the United States of Europe with its own army, all that things collided with the harsh reality.
In the end the only things that holds Europe together is the euro and the Schengen treaty.
If at the end each state is free to suspend Schengen, what will prevent such a state, to unilaterally go out from the euro?

Unfortunately because of the crisis in many countries come to government more xenophobic parties who don't want the European Union that, after the 2009 crisis has not been able to help those countries in difficulty rather scornfully called it P.I.G.S. namely Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain.

the European Union is an idea for which Europe and its people must be together to be stronger and help each other. This is the theory

In practice emerge germany who feels the teacher in Europe, followed by France, Eastern European countries which have done so much to get in the union now they want to get out of it because it is not cheaper to stay in the union; Meanwhile Italy and Greece are left to themselves in handling the migration management.
northern europe in words helps the southern countries and the Balkans, and all do to repel migrants.


What I would say is that: if the EU is an empty shell and is more convenient for the Italy to turn back to the lire and rebuilt the economy,ok the eu has a good esperience but is failed.

I study law and the european parliament spent 2 y for find a important decision and there are a lack od democrazy in the parliament.

So if schengen can be easly suspended the next step will be to go out of euro.

I hope was clear.

Let's hope it does.

There's nothing wrong with the EU as a concept, but the individual member countries are damaging the Union with bad economic and immigration policies. Some of the countries are big welfare and democratic socialist states that are losing money and have little to no economic growth, so when Greece goes bankrupt the other countries are expected to carry the slack. In reality, since most of the countries aren't doing well the burden goes to those that are, like Germany. As part of joining the union, member states should not have been allowed to engage in extreme welfare statism and democratic socialism because they kill economies.

Second, many of the EU members have been committing suicide by allowing mass immigration of Muslims, especially those who want to impose Shari'a. That combined with far-Left political correctness that gives special privileges to Muslims while taking them away from Christian is going to have similar effects to the de-Christianization of Revolutionary France: tyranny and mass murder. Meanwhile, those who reject Islamic supremacy are regularly labeled by the press as "far right" and marginalized. Clearly neo-Nazism should be marginalized, but parties that promote free markets and reject Islamic supremacism should not be. A rejection of Islamic supremacy is NOT a rejection of all Muslims, but it does reject those who want to impose their religion on others and hold such ideas as killing apostates and a denial or rights to women. Now Germany, Sweden and other countries regularly downplay stories of rape by Muslim immigrants. What about the rights of the victims? Why are they being ignored?

So taken together, economic stupidity, giving in to Islamic supremacists, and the far-Left protecting them to the detriment of the victims, may lead to the end of the EU.

If I recall, it was formed in the 1950s. In the early 1970s it gained a lot of power. By the early 1990s, with the fall of the Soviet Union, they had another treaty to sign, which help set the France-Germany-Netherlands alliance. I don't see it as an end yet, even though there are a few country members that don't have equal representation on the EU. Finland, Norway, and Sweden get a lot of flack, but they mainly deal with their own problems and talk amongst themselves before putting forth a policy to be voted on.
Will the EU disband? Yes, but I say it will be another decade or two before we start to see it fall apart.
Furio, I suggest you keep an eye on Switzerland to see which way the wind is blowing. Right now that country is solid on almost everything including their economy.

Giacomo the switzerland was neutral and isolationist from the 1515 ! The only differents there are the languore spoke.
The mistake of the EU was to let that the ex socialist states easly enter in the union.
Faithful what do you think is to marginalize the musli and close them in the ghettos but even in france that was almost 2 centuries that deal with north african there are the banlies.
The states failed to integrate the musli but also the musli want to stay together without use the sharia.
We are like the 1929 crisis with the neo nazo and far right parties that come to power.
The situation isnt easy to resolve even if a think that if will stop the war in Siria and rebuilt the country maybe so many people shouldnt escaped from their country. But is just my opinion.

The Muslims who live without Sharia and integrate in their countries are not the problems. The Muslims who do want Sharia are. Not only that, but many of the mosques and madrassas are funded by Saudi Arabia and inculcate them to become radicalized. I would put a rule that anyone who wants to live in a EU nation has to reject Shari'a, respect the right of people to change their religious beliefs if they choose to without fear or threat, respect women as equals, and reject anti-Semitism. If they don't agree they have to leave. Marginalizing and ghettoizing are bad ideas. People have to be integrated and treat each other as equals.

Totally agree faithful. We've been treated to the 'melting pot' theory of immigration for years now in which assumptions were/are made that immigrants will naturally integrate. Thats fine when its criteria is controlled, but there's obviously huge issues now just with the sheer numbers flooding into the EU. Rather than use weapons and violence, middle eastern groups with an agenda of spreading sharia are using this as their main tactic. Its a clever way of invading a country and at the same time leaving those nations powerless to take any military action. Ive no idea how many 'Isis' fighters have gained entry to the EU in this way, but it must be significant.

This situation cant and never will be won militarily, the enemy know this, so we must be open to other methods as well. We're in a world of mass social media now and this is where the answer lies I think. We also need to rethink our foreign policy...obviously.

Fergie we see the immigrant like the Americans looked to the immigrant in the 19 venture.
For sure there more isis fighters,criminals and the worst of the people but the major part are people that escape from hunger and death.
We must impose your moralità ? No absolutly.
We must pretendere that learn to speak the country leanguage ? YES
The integrattion take time and there are the "culturale shock" where people must faces situazione that in their home wont never face.

The right strategy (imo) is to make that the people that want to rebuilt their life gonna do it. First learn to speak well the leanguage,second find a job ecc

I do agree Furio, however, mass immigration on this scale will prove challenging. The infrastructure in every country cannot cope with the numbers at the moment. Its not a controlled policy like Australia, its a mass swarm of mainly genuine people, agreed, but they aren't paying tax or contributing in any way and wont for a lengthy time.

You visit any hospital and there are interpreters and confused foreigners everywhere. It is impacting on service delivery everywhere.

We should be vastly increasing our foreign aid contributions and dealing with the problem at source....if you had a leak on your roof, would you just put a bucket under it and say its fixed? No, you'd fix the source of the problem.

The problem is that the Russia help Assad because give a mediterranean port for the Russian navy.
Assad had his back cover ed and can do whatever he want. Solve the problem ? Kill Assad and will end the sirian civil war.
Want to stop the Isis ? Say to USA to seno 10,000 motherfucker heavy armed with tanks and helicopters and they will eat the fucking Isis.

Im agree with faithful: you want to stay in my country ? Ok, learn the leanguage,find a job, seno your sons to the school.

For the mosque and madrasse we live in the civil states so we cant surveille every mullah.