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Raymond Patriarca #885917
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Apart from his son, were there any relative of Ray Patriarca that were in the life? Also, did he have any siblings?

Re: Raymond Patriarca [Re: Regoparker100] #885921
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I remember reading he had a brother

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Yeah, he had a brother, Joseph.


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Originally Posted By: azguy
Yeah, he had a brother, Joseph.


Francis "Joe" Patriarca (1909-72)

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Yea his brother was involved even though there is not much about him.

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Didn't he put a contract on his brother? The story I heard somewhere was that he was talked out of it but the message was enough. If he'd hit his own brother, he'd hit anyone. Showed how ruthless he was. I think it was a podcast or documentary.

Re: Raymond Patriarca [Re: Regoparker100] #885988
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I've never seen or heard about that Kash. He even gave Angiulo another chance before he threatened to hit him, so I'm not sure he would be so quick to kill his own blood. He was ruthless, but not sure he was that ruthless.

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No, he's right. His brother was responsible for sweeping for bugs and when he found out one had been in his Federal Hill HQs for years he wanted to wack his brother, but cooler heads prevailed.

The Feds didn't have a warrant for the bug but simply wanted to gather information and learn more about the inner workings of the NE LCN


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The fbi files that come out recently there around middle 1968 hes going to prison on a few different things and his former right hand louie the fox is building a crew of young guys in a few months hes killed. Theres been nothing in the files about him be made at his brother about the bugs and he moved his head quarters to another bizness up the hill. There was alot of pages about casino junkets between him and angelo bruno. Ships going to england haiti. He also didnt want to die n jail. After his buddy henry and peter limone convicted for tht murder deegan an are on death row. His chief guys now are anguilo granito larry b.

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Some cool files today. So some informt says ray and mike rocco from boston were both made by frank costello then transferred to phil buccolo in boston. Eventually frank n vito genovese asked very politely for phil b to step down as boss. They didnt want a Sicilian boss there so they put ray n 1954. Lot of other little cool shit but hevily redacted. His son must be reading these files and putting all the informants in his head. There in 1970 rays running things from jail. Oh the informant said peter limone and jerry were that last inducted members in boston in 1960. I think his brothers where to and i think it happend probaly n 58 well vito genovese was still on the street. Jerry told someone on a wire his first meeting with vito was n nyc and ray said ways give vito a taste he said it made him sick.guess he was a cheap guy.

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Originally Posted By: pmac
Some cool files today. So some informt says ray and mike rocco from boston were both made by frank costello then transferred to phil buccolo in boston. Eventually frank n vito genovese asked very politely for phil b to step down as boss. They didnt want a Sicilian boss there so they put ray n 1954. Lot of other little cool shit but hevily redacted. His son must be reading these files and putting all the informants in his head. There in 1970 rays running things from jail. Oh the informant said peter limone and jerry were that last inducted members in boston in 1960. I think his brothers where to and i think it happend probaly n 58 well vito genovese was still on the street. Jerry told someone on a wire his first meeting with vito was n nyc and ray said ways give vito a taste he said it made him sick.guess he was a cheap guy.


Thanks for posting this stuff from the Patriarca Papers pmac. My computer has a hard time loading them for some reason.

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Bring a little new info to the table. A few back ray tells jerry a he inducted 6 guys in worcester and transferd them all to vito. Ray p and genovese were close probaly like gambino was with bruno it sys in fhis weks ray asked off the commission cause it was a long drive or something like that. He was to far from nyc.

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Originally Posted By: pmac
Some cool files today. So some informt says ray and mike rocco from boston were both made by frank costello then transferred to phil buccolo in boston. Eventually frank n vito genovese asked very politely for phil b to step down as boss. They didnt want a Sicilian boss there so they put ray n 1954. Lot of other little cool shit but hevily redacted. His son must be reading these files and putting all the informants in his head. There in 1970 rays running things from jail. Oh the informant said peter limone and jerry were that last inducted members in boston in 1960. I think his brothers where to and i think it happend probaly n 58 well vito genovese was still on the street. Jerry told someone on a wire his first meeting with vito was n nyc and ray said ways give vito a taste he said it made him sick.guess he was a cheap guy.

Wow great post pmac. I'd always read that Ray Sr was made in NYC but never knew with who. Crazy to see it was someone legendary as Costello that inducted him. Really appreciate your summaries of the Patriarca papers.

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That was very informative. Springfield and Worcestor used to be very connected. I'd love to know if there's anything going on in Worcestor.

Re: Raymond Patriarca [Re: pmac] #886554
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Originally Posted By: pmac
Some cool files today. So some informt says ray and mike rocco from boston were both made by frank costello then transferred to phil buccolo in boston. Eventually frank n vito genovese asked very politely for phil b to step down as boss. They didnt want a Sicilian boss there so they put ray n 1954. Lot of other little cool shit but hevily redacted. His son must be reading these files and putting all the informants in his head. There in 1970 rays running things from jail. Oh the informant said peter limone and jerry were that last inducted members in boston in 1960. I think his brothers where to and i think it happend probaly n 58 well vito genovese was still on the street. Jerry told someone on a wire his first meeting with vito was n nyc and ray said ways give vito a taste he said it made him sick.guess he was a cheap guy.


Jerry was very cheap, that's how he got rich. I know his brother Donato was made, and I think Nick was too. I'm thinking one of them was not made though but not sure on that.

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Ya his older brother nick was the consig in 1975 so he must have been made way back. And the brother donaro and frank qho were both alot older then limone.

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Yea I think the FBI caught on wiretaps Donato kind of looking down on Jerry because he bought his way into the mafia or at least they make it sound that way in the book about him.

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Yaeh thts what i thought thats bullshit. Jerry had balls he didnt back down from anyone from reading this fbi files why would he he had all his brothers an limone. It came down to this when phil bucolo was boss of boston hes was parnoid of the hearings on the lcn so jerry didnt care hooked up with ray and they made tons of cash. And jerry was rays guy. He pissed him off alot cause jerry would mistreat other guys and they ran bck to ray. From reding these files he was grooming him always to takeover. And jerry was loyal to him. Ratting out other older guys around boston for holding out or doing wrong shit. He was a kiss ass. He owned more shit in just the 60tys then whitey and steve had forever. They owned gulf clubs and shit its pretty crazy. But yes no alot of people loved jerry.

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Seems like jerry was constantly having money split problems with the springfield and worcester genovess guys.

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You really think about it all the story about jerry anguilo the boston underboss about him buying his button all come from disgraced or currurt fbi gents and a few informnts like flemmi who hated him. That guy went threw ww2 did 20years and died in his mansion. His brother frank was still living in his apartment that they owned the whole builing up the north end when he died last year. That thing must be worth a couple mill. I still belive in my head whitey didnt think he was a snitch but bought info. But for him to be around flemmi who was giving shit up is a aurgument whitey was a snitch. Idk.

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No telling what Jerry was worth (hell he owned a hospital) as I'm sure the Feds didn't even get everything he really owned. I could believe Jerry bought his button though, but promising that kind of money you got to know what you're doing or I'd imagine he would have ended up dead. That's some big pressure. Also don't forget Angiulo also had Zannino under him at the time as well who was a heavy hitter in Boston at the time and another one of Ray's favorites. There was no doubt though that he was legit because he never ratted and all the brothers did their time like a man as well.


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