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Would Paul have hit the Westies #889885 08/07/16 11:42 AM 08/07/16 11:42 AM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 865 Uk T Tonytough OP ba da bing
Tonytough OP ba da bing T Underboss Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 865 Uk	Paul knew what a dangerous bunch these Irish were, and opted to go into business with them/ ie make friends then enter a war And luckily for Paul, Coonan was a mob fanboy who saw the Italians as his ticket for enhancing his criminal ladder. Whereas the rest of the Irish guys in his crew weren't so keen But had Coonan snubbed the meeting at Tomaso restaurant... Anyone think the Gambino's would have dared hit them... Roy was still alive then and he was the go between at time so most likely he would have been given the hit

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #889894 08/07/16 12:49 PM 08/07/16 12:49 PM
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BillyBrizzi Underboss Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,710	DeMeo was a killer but he was not a warrior, he would've been useless in a war with the Westies I think.. FORTIS FORTUNA IUVAT

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #889916 08/07/16 02:23 PM 08/07/16 02:23 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,499 naples,italy furio_from_naples
furio_from_naples Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,499 naples,italy	Why use demeo ? The westies know roy and Paul as boss had many other killers for start a war that the westies would lost because the gambinos had more made men that them. Last edited by furio_from_naples; 08/07/16 02:24 PM.

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #889920 08/07/16 02:41 PM 08/07/16 02:41 PM
Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 2,188 B bronx Underboss
bronx B Underboss Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 2,188	why kill them? sooner or later they would have come in..gambino's were not the only family ,they would have stepped on a lot of other families toes ..they killed ruby stein on the sneak.. they self destructed in the end

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #889921 08/07/16 02:42 PM 08/07/16 02:42 PM
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Belmont B Underboss Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 883	With the exception of jimmy coonan, the westies were a bunch of degenerate druggies. They were big fish in a very small pond. Coonan was legit, i must admit.

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #889925 08/07/16 02:50 PM 08/07/16 02:50 PM
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Tonytough OP ba da bing T Underboss Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 865 Uk	Don't forget Mickey Featherstone had a reputation as a stone killer And yes the mob had plenty but difference is, at lease they have their Italian guys on a leash

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #889928 08/07/16 03:03 PM 08/07/16 03:03 PM
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 3,021 far, northwest Binnie_Coll Underboss
Binnie_Coll Underboss Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 3,021 far, northwest	Featherstone turned out to be a snitch, Coonan was at the very least a very disturbed individual he didn't have the smarts to compare with any lcn family, its all laid out in the book "the westies" paul castellano knew they would self-destruct. laughed at them behind their backs. and he was right. drugs did them in. " watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Belmont] #889950 08/07/16 07:11 PM 08/07/16 07:11 PM
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bronx B Underboss Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 2,188	correct

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #889954 08/07/16 08:18 PM 08/07/16 08:18 PM
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Tonytough OP ba da bing T Underboss Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 865 Uk	Mickey might have been a snitch but that doesn't take away his "prior" rep/ I mean same can be said for any mobster ie Sammy, crazy Phil, fat Joey etc. They were tough guys on the streets As for self destruct- I don't buy that. Not saying i don't believe u personally What I mean is, Paul was full of shitt. If he really felt that way he wouldn't have met them/ wouldn't deal with them or allow them to use the Gambino name... Or taking 10% off them Yes it was done to control them which goes to show the might they wielded. If they are such small fries Paul would have whacked em for clipping their bookie Ruby And going into business with such renegades as Paul would say- he was only setting himself up for a fall later on jail wise

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #890119 08/09/16 12:25 AM 08/09/16 12:25 AM
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 3,021 far, northwest Binnie_Coll Underboss
Binnie_Coll Underboss Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 3,021 far, northwest	tony, my information on their drug use comes from the book "the westies" pretty well researched, most snitches were deep into drugs, it really decimated the westies. " watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #890126 08/09/16 03:46 AM 08/09/16 03:46 AM
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Tonytough OP ba da bing T Underboss Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 865 Uk	Oh I'm not saying they weren't on drugs, I'm sure they were all smack heads!! But for Paul to even meet and go into business with such degenerates was only going to cause him headache down the line

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #890132 08/09/16 07:48 AM 08/09/16 07:48 AM
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Footreads F Underboss Joined: May 2014 Posts: 4,401	The Westies did business with the purple gang. They brought someone into the country who they say was one of the guys who blew up mountbattans boat. He was around 17 or 18 at the time brought him to rockaway. He needed a job so they put him on a taxi cab that one of the purples owned. He hated the English because a relative maybe a brother was killed with a rubber bullet. He hung out in Brooklyn. People soon found out this cat was an equal opportunity hater. Then he disappeared one day. Do you guys remember the buck skin jacket Westies like to wear them in their bar. only the unloved hate

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #890138 08/09/16 09:14 AM 08/09/16 09:14 AM
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DanteMoltisanti D Underboss Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,962 The Jersey Shore	You should see Hells Kitchen now in the year 2016: Starbucks, Gay Bars/Clubs, and trendy restaurants, etc....

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #890154 08/09/16 02:16 PM 08/09/16 02:16 PM
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 3,021 far, northwest Binnie_Coll Underboss
Binnie_Coll Underboss Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 3,021 far, northwest	Originally Posted By: Tonytough Oh I'm not saying they weren't on drugs, I'm sure they were all smack heads!! But for Paul to even meet and go into business with such degenerates was only going to cause him headache down the line I agree. " watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #890172 08/09/16 06:46 PM 08/09/16 06:46 PM
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Tonytough OP ba da bing T Underboss Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 865 Uk	Gotti still dealt with them, remember it was alleged that he asked them to do the John O'Connor thing.... Kneecap... But they were so stoned, they shot him up the asss.

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #890179 08/09/16 07:44 PM 08/09/16 07:44 PM
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BobbyPazzo B Capo Joined: Jun 2015 Posts: 385	Originally Posted By: DanteMoltisanti You should see Hells Kitchen now in the year 2016: Starbucks, Gay Bars/Clubs, and trendy restaurants, etc.... yup hahaha

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #890217 08/10/16 02:25 AM 08/10/16 02:25 AM
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goldhawkroad G Made Member Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 145 Stockholm	Originally Posted By: DanteMoltisanti You should see Hells Kitchen now in the year 2016: Starbucks, Gay Bars/Clubs, and trendy restaurants, etc.... u got that right. But I did stumble upon a bar called "Mickey Spillanes"

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #890224 08/10/16 06:18 AM 08/10/16 06:18 AM
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,962 The Jersey Shore D DanteMoltisanti Underboss
DanteMoltisanti D Underboss Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,962 The Jersey Shore	Mickey Spillane must love having a gay bar named after him....LOL

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #890227 08/10/16 07:23 AM 08/10/16 07:23 AM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,499 naples,italy furio_from_naples
furio_from_naples Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,499 naples,italy	I think that the reight answer is: Why the Westies should declare war to the Gambinos ? When the Jacobi center must be build even the site was in Hell's Kitchen the Genovese started a war and won against the spillane gang. Now even if the other westies wasn't a mafia fanboys they know that the possibility to made bussiness with italians for example the camion hikiacking and gave only the 10% to the italians was resonable same thing to be used as hired killers. Second they haven't the men to start a war in 1978 there are (from a blackhandforum chart): 1)James "Jimmy" Coonan (1974-1988) First boss, Sentenced to 75 years in prison in 1988; 2)John "Jackie" Coonan Jr. (1974-1988) A soldier, brother of Jimmy Coonan, died of AIDS in 1988; 3)Bill Beatie (1974-1986) A soldier, formerly a member of the Spillane Gang, became an informant for the FBI in 1986; 4)Thomas "Tommy" Collins (1974-Pr) A soldier, sent to prison in 1988, released in 1997; 5)Francis "Mickey" Featherstone (1974-1986) Became Jimmy Coonan's second-in-command after Eddie Cummiskey was murdered in 1976, left the gang after becoming an informant for the FBI in 1986; 6) John "Johnny" Halo (1974-Pr); 7)Tommy Hess (1974-1982) A soldier, murdered in 1982; 8) Kevin Kelley; 9)Anton "Tony" Lucich (1974-1985) A soldier, passed away in 1985 10)James "Jimmy Mack" McElroy (1976-1993) A soldier, became an informant for the FBI in 1993; 11) Richard "Mugsy" Ritter (1974-Pr); 12)Richard "Richie" Ryan (1974-1986) A soldier, died of alcohol poisoning in 1986; So if there are another men non listed are a small crew against almost 200 made men. Last edited by furio_from_naples; 08/10/16 07:25 AM.

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: goldhawkroad] #890330 08/10/16 05:51 PM 08/10/16 05:51 PM
Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 3,534 Alabama D dixiemafia ROLL TIDE!!!!!
dixiemafia ROLL TIDE!!!!! D Underboss Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 3,534 Alabama	Originally Posted By: goldhawkroad Originally Posted By: DanteMoltisanti You should see Hells Kitchen now in the year 2016: Starbucks, Gay Bars/Clubs, and trendy restaurants, etc.... u got that right. But I did stumble upon a bar called "Mickey Spillanes" It reminds me of Atwells Avenue in downtown Providence, there is a place called Goodfellas Subs or something like that almost directly across from Patriarca's old headquarters.

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: furio_from_naples] #890593 08/12/16 05:37 PM 08/12/16 05:37 PM
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Tonytough OP ba da bing T Underboss Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 865 Uk	Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples I think that the reight answer is: Why the Westies should declare war to the Gambinos ? When the Jacobi center must be build even the site was in Hell's Kitchen the Genovese started a war and won against the spillane gang. Now even if the other westies wasn't a mafia fanboys they know that the possibility to made bussiness with italians for example the camion hikiacking and gave only the 10% to the italians was resonable same thing to be used as hired killers. Second they haven't the men to start a war in 1978 there are (from a blackhandforum chart): 1)James "Jimmy" Coonan (1974-1988) First boss, Sentenced to 75 years in prison in 1988; 2)John "Jackie" Coonan Jr. (1974-1988) A soldier, brother of Jimmy Coonan, died of AIDS in 1988; 3)Bill Beatie (1974-1986) A soldier, formerly a member of the Spillane Gang, became an informant for the FBI in 1986; 4)Thomas "Tommy" Collins (1974-Pr) A soldier, sent to prison in 1988, released in 1997; 5)Francis "Mickey" Featherstone (1974-1986) Became Jimmy Coonan's second-in-command after Eddie Cummiskey was murdered in 1976, left the gang after becoming an informant for the FBI in 1986; 6) John "Johnny" Halo (1974-Pr); 7)Tommy Hess (1974-1982) A soldier, murdered in 1982; 8) Kevin Kelley; 9)Anton "Tony" Lucich (1974-1985) A soldier, passed away in 1985 10)James "Jimmy Mack" McElroy (1976-1993) A soldier, became an informant for the FBI in 1993; 11) Richard "Mugsy" Ritter (1974-Pr); 12)Richard "Richie" Ryan (1974-1986) A soldier, died of alcohol poisoning in 1986; So if there are another men non listed are a small crew against almost 200 made men. Wow so Paul was so afraid of a "glorified crew" that he had to personally meet with them and allow them to use the Gambino family name in return for 10% which is peanuts- just to control them and stop them whacking guys like affiliated with the Gambino's

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #890626 08/12/16 09:23 PM 08/12/16 09:23 PM
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alicecooper A Underboss Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 1,112	Did they think the westies were much larger than they actually were? Shit whack coonan and it falls apart. Or did they want Coonan in place so they could know who they were dealing with since the crew was so nuts? As in wack coonan and who knows what lunacy rises out of the ashes that we'll have to deal with later.., And with jimmy they had someone who wanted very badly to play ball with them.

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #890811 08/14/16 11:05 PM 08/14/16 11:05 PM
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yatescj7 Y Capo Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 360	It's more about the Gambino Family heading off the Genovese Family in respect to the Javits center than anything. Without going on record with a mob family the Westies would all be whacked by the Genovese and Javits would be their own personal fiefdom. Coonan was smart enough to know he needed to be put on record with a family to avoid open season on his gang. Best way to do that was to conspire with DeMeo to do something big that would cause a huge sitdown requiring Bosses, ub, consig. Etc. Which whacking Ruby did. Gambinos grab 10 percent and a foothold in Javits, DeMeo gets his button, and Coonan on record with the Gambinos gets his protection from the Genovese. Very well played.

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #890891 08/15/16 07:06 PM 08/15/16 07:06 PM
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Binnie_Coll Underboss Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 3,021 far, northwest	how smart was Coonan? getting 75 years. " watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Binnie_Coll] #890894 08/15/16 07:34 PM 08/15/16 07:34 PM
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gangstereport G Underboss Joined: Aug 2015 Posts: 1,516	Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll how smart was Coonan? getting 75 years. so what tony salerno got a 100 years he was intelligent bobby manna he is doing life he was also very smart. James Marcello in Chicago Joey massimo he was smart look what happened to him looking at death pentatly and flips he was one of the smartest bosses in recent times. What you really need in that life is luck sure being smart helps but luck is alot to do with it. Not connected with scott or anyone at gangsterreport Sorry for the confusion

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Binnie_Coll] #890935 08/16/16 12:33 AM 08/16/16 12:33 AM
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yatescj7 Y Capo Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 360	Has nothing to do with getting hooked up with the Gambinos in the late 70s. Getting ratted on doesn't mean he wasn't smart. The push by the Feds sent many intelligent gangster to the pen post 1985.

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #891442 08/20/16 02:47 PM 08/20/16 02:47 PM
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Alfa Romeo Underboss Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 1,442	Originally Posted By: Tonytough Paul knew what a dangerous bunch these Irish were, and opted to go into business with them/ ie make friends then enter a war And luckily for Paul, Coonan was a mob fanboy who saw the Italians as his ticket for enhancing his criminal ladder. Whereas the rest of the Irish guys in his crew weren't so keen But had Coonan snubbed the meeting at Tomaso restaurant... Anyone think the Gambino's would have dared hit them... Roy was still alive then and he was the go between at time so most likely he would have been given the hit Forgive me if I am wrong, but I don't think there were even that many Westies. Of course Paul would have whacked them. They were not some vast army. "For us, rubbin'out a Mustache was just like makin' way for a new building, like we was in the construction business."

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #891445 08/20/16 03:06 PM 08/20/16 03:06 PM
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Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Tonytough] #891448 08/20/16 03:07 PM 08/20/16 03:07 PM
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Scalish Underboss Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 986 Hamilton	I remember that Doc on the westies and Bill Beatie said they had about a dozen or so guys in the gang at their peak so they were really no threat.

Re: Would Paul have hit the Westies [Re: Scalish] #891510 08/21/16 06:49 PM 08/21/16 06:49 PM
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Binnie_Coll Underboss Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 3,021 far, northwest	Originally Posted By: Scalish I remember that Doc on the westies and Bill Beatie said they had about a dozen or so guys in the gang at their peak so they were really no threat. lol, most of them were to drugged up to fight anyway over half ot them were junkies . " watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"

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