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Re: Which rat was the most truthful in your opinion?
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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going way back, joe valachi, told about the ceremony, how the LCN was set up, identified all the bosses, and underbosses. truthful enough that J. edgar hoover could no longer deny the existence of the L.C.N.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: Which rat was the most truthful in your opinion?
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08/14/16 11:19 PM
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Binnie you no your probaly right. He was wrong about a few things and experts say he was border line retared. Or probalg just dumb. Wasnt genovese his best man or something way back. He was wrong about who was in what family but they say it was what the feds were telling him and they had bad info. He was spot on about the structure thats the same today. ' yes, pmac he was vitos best man at his wedding, also he wasn't retarded or disturbed, the information he gave about the original five n.y.c. dons was spot on. when he went in front of congress in 1963 the L.C.N. freaked out. here was a made guy an insider, giving away secret information, it was the first time in history a made guy flipped.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: Which rat was the most truthful in your opinion?
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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Re: Which rat was the most truthful in your opinion?
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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08/18/16 08:23 AM
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If you had to pick one. My vote goes to Sal Vitale. Was a corrections officer before he got caught up with Massino. Another guy, like Leonetti, who likes to blame his life of crime on falling in with an influential, older family member. He punched an agent out one time. Vitale, Ligambi.. I wonder who else has done that. Not everyone is a Massino or Gambino who maintains entente cordiale with the guys looking to bring them down.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Which rat was the most truthful in your opinion?
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I liked Gravano's book. I've heard people say that he lied about a lot of things, but he certainly set the record straight on Gotti. Gotti was a beloved celebrity up to that point that, as far as anyone knew, was one of the great mafia dons of all time. He was a trainwreck, and Gravano spelled it out with information that for the most part was corroborated by court records, wire taps, witnesses, etc.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Which rat was the most truthful in your opinion?
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08/18/16 07:54 PM
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I don't know if you could call Jon Roberts a rat, but everything he put into his book seemed to be uncensored straight dope. The real deal. Totally agree Alfa, love that book.
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Re: Which rat was the most truthful in your opinion?
[Re: MightyDR]
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08/20/16 02:44 PM
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I don't know if you could call Jon Roberts a rat, but everything he put into his book seemed to be uncensored straight dope. The real deal. Totally agree Alfa, love that book. So do I. Every emotion is covered in that book, and then some. Some of his confessions are downright disconcerting. Then after the book was released, we found out he was still friendly with some dirty cops who supposedly supplied him with unmarked guns. Very wild. Very scary.
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