For every Henry hill, gotti, etc etc that we read about it they make movies about; how many successfully retire?

Made guys. Do a lot of them keep going til death because they are broke? Do they all have stashes of cash when they are older (if lawyer fees don't get in the way)?

How many of these guys "win"?

Junior successfully retired due to Legitimate income beforehand, Hill was broke up until a couple movie and book stuff

Some go broke, for others it's familiarity and older guys do it for a thrill

Not many win tbf 1 in 1000 chance you're going to 'win'

Charlie "Moose" Panarella.

I think most guys that retire are associates and low level soldiers who we don't really hear about. If you're known, good luck

of course there is frank Costello, tony accardo. joe bonnano

carlo Gambino, and many others who died of old age, not spending years in prison, and never getting whacked.

I think lombardos post is right, 1- 1000.. chance.

Uncle Joe can retire successfully right now in the year 2016 if he wanted to with a "win" over the federal government

charlie was banished to vegas

One of the most successful wiseguys in history was Joe Arcuri. He not only successfully retired, but he was a successful wiseguy throughout his entire career. Didn't spend one day in jail, always had money and died peacefully at the ripe old age of 93. Very few people mention him.

Another guy worth mentioning is Benny Squint Lombardo. Spent relatively no time in prison, retired successfully and died old and rich.

Gerardo Catena, Mike Miranda.

JOE'S father also, and the franco's..his whole crew nobody went to prison

^^ Joe Arcuri's an interesting guy. Amazing he lasted that long.

Another person who I'd say "won" is Richie "The Boot" Boiardo. Lived to 93 I think and only did a little bit of prison time.

You're damn right about that. Very few people have paid attention to that crew. It's amusing to see people obsess over Gotti, Merlino and the other celebrity gangsters. Those of us who have spent some time studying this have long come to the conclusion that those guys ain't shit compared to the ones who've spent a lifetime in the shadows, made more money and barely even been on the radar.

old school gentlemen Ralphie, you are one of few who ever mentioned the old man

I say patriarca jr that retired enjoy the money left by his father and vincent Ferrara that is a legit bussiness man.

ralphies right...... the ones that get all the ink, never seem to live long enough to retire, and by, and large are not the most powerful either, its the ones you never hear about, that die old with fortunes.

These are other mafia guys, who retired with no repercussions. Most of this list are guys who are rarely mentioned.

Thomas Gambino, or was he ''shelved''?

Peter Defeo, He was a captain in the Westside, who got in a dispute with Barny Bellomo, and lost that dispute. He retired soon after. By then he was in his 80's.

Joseph Abate, New Jersey Captain in the Lucchese's, who retired.

Frank Garafola, Joe Bonanno's underboss, who retired in the late 50's, and moved to Sicily.

Vincent Alo, Genovese captain, who retired in the 1970's. Crew was taken over by Matthew Ianniello.

Vincent Rao, Lucchese Consigliere, who had served that family for over 40+ years. He retired in the 1970's.

Andy Gerardo, Westside Captain, who retired in the 1990's.

Frank Scibelli, Westside Captain, who successfully retired, and controlled a crew in Massachusetts.

Wasn't it Ettore Coco who Vic Amuso and Anthony Casso gave an ultimatum to retire?

So more or less it's no different that what they say to young inner city kids when they get involved with gangbangin'...two ways out death and prison.

I mean if this crew only has a small list like what's been offered up in this thread...that's pretty damning, no?

That's not true, actually. It's become a common intervention line, but the statistics simply don't back it up. A very small percentage of gang members get murdered, and the percentage which end up serving long term prison terms is well below half. Most gang members just get old while being unemployable, are forced by economic conditions to move away from fellow gang members, and just end up burnt out and on some kind of assistance, either parents, a spouse/partner with a decent job, public assistance, etc. Some get lucky enough to end up in decent jobs themselves. Whatever the case, most do not die or go to prison. And the blood in blood out oath is unenforced for the most part once gang members are into their 30s.

If you don't mean loaded $$$

Then there are hundreds if not thousands.

Actually agree with you for once.

Although death and prison are certain for those that remain active. Just that most wise up by a certain age and slow down.

I'm not sure it's as much wising up as it is just burning out and being lost in the shuffle. There aren't many active gang members in their late 30s. By that age life has just happened to most people in some form or another, and aside from rare exceptions, it's very difficult to maintain respect and effectiveness in a game dominated by adolescents.

Not many active gang members by late 20s. Unless you're in jail and prison than you stay active, but that's different than being active on the street.

Most guys start families or have kids by their early 20s which gives them a reason to slow down.

thousands? serp your posta are usually spot on, but are you positive that you are correct in saying thousands?

Serp probably means wise guys and Russian/Albanian gangsters and then all your typical minority gang bangers here in Jersey

I only wish having kids stopped gang members from being active in their early 20s. I don't think it stops them at any age, for the most part.

Depends on the individual. I'm specifically talking about the ones that "retire" and make it out without doing very hard time or end up dead.

Those that make it a life long lifestyle cannot escape doing hard time eventually. It's a smaller percentage of gang members that choose to become career criminals though. There's also levels of activity. Staying affiliated and associating with other gang members is often different than being fully active daily on the streets.

If you are not talking getting to millionaire status just think of all the families west coast south and in between since the twentys on sooner all the made guys and all The associates and there associates then you add all the other criminal gangs that have been intertwined since Prohibition era easily thousands .

Just in the bootlegging days so many got rich and got away from Louisiana to Canada easy thousands .

Now if you are talking made guys and millionaires than the number smaller but it still high .

understand now serp, thank you.