He was extremely capable, was a good money maker what with his various business interests and partners with Savino (whom the Chin kept alive purely for the money he was bringing in). So why was Pappa never upped to captain

Which crew was he under within the Genovese?

Edit- Dominick Swaggy was his capo

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/773196

I think he was used more in the enforcer capacity, probably never bumped up to captain for many reasons, he did get whacked for killing a captain in another family without permission. If this is indicative of any of the other choices he made, it's really no wonder. As far as whose crew he was in, I really have no information on that.

Pappa was an interesting character because he was fearless and extremely dangerous- even Sammy Bull admired him

I always thought he was in his 40s but turns out he was only 36 when he got whacked

Perhaps that's partly why he wasn't bumped up (had he not
gone on an unsanctioned killing spree) he would have got there with time

Thanks for posting that article. I think it answers your question. It mentions "numerous violations of mob protocol" and "not sharing proceeds of several major scams with his mob superiors".

In the 5 families Raab said that the Chin really liked Savino and for this reason dont whacked him even if many people in the genovese family said him that Savino was a rat but the Chin until the end ever protect him.
In the articles is said that pappa killed 2 colombo men and dont gave money to his superiors but who was the capo that whacked ?
The iron in this case is that gerard son is a colombo associate that would be made in the family if doesn't get life in the late 90s.

Main reason is he was only a made member for 3 years.Genovese Family rarely bump up a guy to Capo after only being made a couple years before.

He whacked both the Spero's I think

Yeah he whacked Shorty's brother, Shorty vowed to take revenge and Pappa whacked him too. You gotta remember though, Gerry pappa and Sammy Gravanao were both Bensonhurst guy who came up as associates in the Colombo Family under Shorty whose boss was Carmine Persico. Says a lot that Pappa went under the Genovese BK crew under Swaggy and Joey Ida, who were under main BK Genovese Boss Funzi. Sammy branched off and went into Toddo Aurello who was equal with Jimmy Brown both under Carlo gambino. Seems they both didn't like the Spero's. Gravano shrugged it off, Pappa couldn't let it go, killed them and in return was killed for it.

he killed shorty and richie scarcella

Sammy moved on but didn't Pappa move drugs with the Spero's/ some kind of dispute over drugs

Man Pappa is stone cold to whack a capo without permission. Anyone got any info on the Spero's? Wiki doesn't say much l

I really don't know much about them other than few things Sammy mentioned and that documentary where some former mobster said Shorty was a violent guy. And once he threatened him after he caught Shorty cheating at cards

He was the kind of guy bound to end up dead. I've always heard he was crazy, even as a young kid (from neighborhood guys that were half fucking crazy themselves). Bronx likely knows what I mean.

100%

Didn't he bury Shorty's head right under the toilet? So when anyone does #2.

Talk about REAL hate for someone.

No he buried Scarcella's head under the toilet.... Scarcella was supposedly a loud mouth bully and Pappa hated him

Gerry's son John was a absolute savage. Peeled the face off his friend after murdering him

There's Mafia murderers who don't particularly enjoy the work but do it if the occasion arises

Then from time to time u get the sicko that actually enjoys it and wants to kill more and more- I believe John Pappa obviously inherited a lot of his dad's psychotic personality

I have a relative myself, the father has mental problems and now the teen kids too

http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/blogs/colombo-associate-john-pappa

which of these pappas was the big heroin dealer?

Neither.

Who was the capo of Gerard Pappa?

Anthony "Dutchie" Tuzzo.