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Re: NEWS 2017
[Re: J Geoff]
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No Kindle? You lost me on that one, buddy. If Kindle was discussed I missed it. Anyway, the Kindle app is available for computers and phones as a free download. (Hey, Amazon.com, do I get points for free advertising? LOL)
Gets, One thing that I'm doing that you're probably not doing, at least to the extent that I am, is studying the object over the subject. What do I mean? I mean study the belief more than the believers. And when I study the belief, what is the best thing to study? The original sources.
Since most Muslims don't intently study the Quran and the Hadith, they get what they know from their imams. If the imam leans to the moderate side, then so will the congregation. Of course if specific members start studying the Quran and Hadith for themselves they may become fundamentalist/radicalized. New converts may take their religion more seriously than those "born into it." We've all heard stories about pastor's kids going wild, rejecting the beliefs and/or behaviors of their parents. Those born into it may take their beliefs for granted. They'll do the 5 pillars...maybe. They may become Muslims in name only. New converts will study the sources and try to follow them. They don't want to be Muslims in name only. So it's not just that the new converts are losers (although many are), it's that they are taking their newfound faith seriously.
African Americans involved in crime or in prison may be led to Islam because they are told that Christianity is the "White man's religion" and that Islam will give them purpose and order. They are not aware that Muhammad emphasized that he was a white man and had anti-black racist tendencies. That it was Islam that started the East African slave trade, which spread to West Africa. They aren't taught that the European Atlantic slave trade lasted for about 400 years, but the Muslim slave trade lasted for over 1000 years -- and still exists today. If they were aware of these things then maybe they would realize that Islam is more of a "White man's religion" than Christianity ever was. (If you want the sources, please feel free to ask.)
My point about colonization, at least British colonization, is that it wasn't 100% evil. Let's say it was 60% evil. It was less evil than Nazi Germany, what the Germans did to the Herrero and what King Leopold did to the Congo.
Once again comparing Islam, the Islamic conquests that started with Muhammad himself were acts of colonization. Islamic colonization started hundreds of years before the British. By the time the British invaded India, Muslims had already massacred tens of millions. Some estimate almost 300 million Indians lost their lives to Muslim colonizers. If true, then Islam has killed more people than the Communists, Nazis and Crusaders combined.
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Re: NEWS 2017
[Re: J Geoff]
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03/28/17 06:37 PM
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A US army general has said coalition forces "probably" played a role in the 17 March air strike on west Mosul which may have killed more than 100 peoplehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-39421435its stuff like this why so many in the middle east hate the west. People who lose family and friends in stuff like this are probably easy for groups like ISIS to convince to join them. and in other news Trump signs order undoing Obama climate change policieshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39415631fucking idiot
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Re: NEWS 2017
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Gets, Thanks for explaining the Kindle joke. Learn something new everyday. I forgot to respond to the Book of Revelation question. Revelation is a prophetic book and doesn't contain commands that believers are to go around slaughtering. It's descriptive, not proscriptive. It's also figurative and symbolic. So to reiterate, the Old Testament has passages that describe what happened, and that included temporal commands to go to war or even what might be called ethnic cleansing. In context, it was against groups that had been attacking the Hebrews, and the ethnic cleansing was never fully carried out. The Philistines, for example, continued to fight and terrorize the Hebrews/Israelites for hundreds of years. Amorites and Hittites continue to get mentioned as well. In the New Testament there are NO commands, none, zero, to go to war in a literal sense and to kill others. What there is includes commands like "Love your enemies" and "Pray for those who spitefully use you." The apostle John even says that if one does not love his brother then he's not really a Christian. In Islam, it teaches that one day the ummah, or Muslim community, will be everywhere all over the world: "Allah drew the ends of the world near one another for my sake. And I have seen its eastern and western ends. And the dominion of my Ummah would reach those ends which have been drawn near me and I have been granted the red and the white treasure and I begged my Lord for my Ummah that it should not be destroyed because of famine, nor be dominated by an enemy who is not amongst them to take their lives and destroy them root and branch, and my Lord said: Muhammad, whenever I make a decision, there is none to change it. I grant you for your Ummah that it would not be destroyed by famine and it would not be dominated by an enemy who would not be amongst it and would take their lives and destroy them root and branch even if all the people from the different parts of the world join hands together (for this purpose), but it would be from amongst them, viz. your Ummah, that some people would kill the others or imprison the others." https://sunnah.com/muslim/54How will this happen? By people converting to Islam, by having lots of Muslim children, but killing apostates and by war. "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." Quran 8:12 http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=8&verse=12Some will claim that the above verse was Muhammad at the Battle of Badr, and then leave it there. That's not entirely true. Muhammad is considered "the perfect model for humanity," and everything he did continues to apply today. His actions and sayings are called the Sunnah, and Muslims are to "Obey God and the Messenger so that you may be blessed" (Quran 3:132). In other words, everything that Muhammad did in the 7th century still applies today.
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Re: NEWS 2017
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03/29/17 09:33 PM
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F1, Good points.However Christians haven't discarded the Old Testament. Religious rules and doctrine are crafted from words from the OT.....and sermons in churches quote and teach from it every Sunday. Christianity encompasses various schools,denominations, and traditions and there is no consensus about which lines,verses or laws are or were temporal. I will concede that the passages we've discussed ARE specifically about Hebrews and distinct rival groups but what do you think of the passages that address Apostasy? Specifically Deut. 13 verse 6 to 10..those verses are bolded and the entire chapter is quoted. 6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deuteronomy 13King James Version (KJV)
13 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.
12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the Lord thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,
13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;
14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;
15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.
17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the Lord may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;
18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the Lord thy God.
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Re: NEWS 2017
[Re: J Geoff]
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04/03/17 08:46 AM
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St Petersburg metro explosions kill ten - media http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39481770this is probably muslim extremists or Chechen rebels we will have to see but put it like this whoever did this Putin and Russia are going to go crazy
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Re: NEWS 2017
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04/04/17 12:11 PM
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Get, when you look at the history of the non-western nations, you do not find democracy and all of the virtues and pursuit of virtues that accrue to it. We in the west have evolved, through our histories, a pursuit of those virtues. We pursue freedoms of press, speech, and religion. In fact, we anger some Americans because we allow too much freedom. Non-western nations have no such history.
China has been either a dictatorship or an oligarchy since the BC period; Russia is now a faux democracy and has been a dictatorship or oligarchy since the Rus came out of the Russian stepps over a 1,000 years ago. The same is true for the nations of Asia and eastern Europe. Thankfully, the nations of eastern Europe, under the umbrella of NATO, have the opportunity to develop the virtues of democracy. Except for Israel, pursuit of democracy is just about a lost cause in the middle east and Africa.
So yes, the silence about human tragedy is loud in those nations.
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Re: NEWS 2017
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04/04/17 08:24 PM
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So yes, the silence about human tragedy is loud in those nations.
that is completely false in Russia the country is mourning just look at there press its the top story don't know why you think some countries because of there political leadership don't also mourn tradgies in the west US in particular no one cares because people don't like or care about Russians its disgusting really hating the way Russia is governed and acts in the world is one thing not caring about innocents losing there lives is very different I don't like the way Russia acts in the world but the west US in particular have no right to really be judging other countries like Russia when they have caused as much if not more damage In the world than Russia. Don't get why so many of the anti Russia supporters never say anything about China or Saudi Arabia either remember when Trump got elected there was all those protests now don't get me wrong the guy is an idiot and out of his depth but why is there no protests about these countries who are killing innocents on a daily basis and the west is still treating them like strong allies so hypocritical
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Re: NEWS 2017
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New entry in the "words coming back like a boomerang to haunt me" category is this from Bill O'reilly from 2004 http://www.mtv.com/news/1457357/ludacris...for-soda-giant/Last week, Fox News Channel's conservative ranter Bill O'Reilly denounced the soda giant for choosing Ludacris to appear in Pepsi ads, calling him a "thug rapper" who " espouses violence, intoxication, and degrading conduct toward women." Pepsi dropped Ludacris O'Reilly commended Pepsi's move, stating, " Americans should let the merchants of bad taste know that hiring corrupters and incompetents is not acceptable."
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Re: NEWS 2017
[Re: J Geoff]
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39523654just seen that aswell looks like Assad went too far even for Trump this could be the beginning of the end of an US-Russian alliance because this will cause tensions to rise not even Obama who did not get on with Russia ever bomb Assad and admit to it and i know the US have said they "informed" Russia before the bombing even if true i doubt they were happy about it I don't know maybe I am wrong on this but i watched the interview of Trump after the reports of that chemical attack came out he actually for the first time i can remember him admitting he was wrong on Syria and he had changed his opinion on Syria it was interesting looks like this whole incident has changed his view maybe he is starting to realize how serious his job is. He is currently out of his depth he needs to learn fast because its easier saying this stuff but actually governing like he has seen on this is very different As for the bombing itself i morally agree with it Assad is evil what he is doing to his people and these chemical attacks need to be stopped but is it the best move? diplomatically probably not but i don't think Trump comes out badly in this (for once) he can say he is protecting innocent civilians while also showing his leadership and America to be a "dominant" power
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Re: NEWS 2017
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just seen that aswell looks like Assad went too far even for Trump this could be the beginning of the end of an US-Russian alliance because this will cause tensions to rise not even Obama who did not get on with Russia ever bomb Assad and admit to it and i know the US have said they "informed" Russia before the bombing even if true i doubt they were happy about it Russia tries to portray itself as the alternative to America. But did you hear about the Iranian accusations that Russia shared their launch codes with the Israelis? Putin is nothing but a CIA asset. Any enemy of the West hiding behind Putin has misplaced trust. You see how Putin was warned about the strikes... I don't know maybe I am wrong on this but i watched the interview of Trump after the reports of that chemical attack came out he actually for the first time i can remember him admitting he was wrong on Syria and he had changed his opinion on Syria it was interesting looks like this whole incident has changed his view maybe he is starting to realize how serious his job is. He is currently out of his depth he needs to learn fast because its easier saying this stuff but actually governing like he has seen on this is very different No one can hold someone like Donald Trump to a statement or a promise. He is about what is expedient. Whatever candidates say on the campaign trail is tempered by intelligence briefings once they actually get into the halls of power. As for the bombing itself i morally agree with it Assad is evil what he is doing to his people and these chemical attacks need to be stopped but is it the best move? diplomatically probably not but i don't think Trump comes out badly in this (for once) he can say he is protecting innocent civilians while also showing his leadership and America to be a "dominant" power I don't think it's really about if Assad is evil, or if what he did was wrong. The laws says a president can only launch the military without Congressional approval for short periods of time and only if it's in the interest of national security. The main question then in judging Trump's decision is, was it in the interest of US national security. Some are going to argue no. Some are going to argue yes. This is just a guess but Assad won plus he had the backing of the Russians why would he use those weapons in Syria. It does not make sense for him to do it. He already won. For all we know, the Russians did the gas attack so that Assad would be blamed and taken out. As laypersons we simply have no clue. Second question where did those weapons come from in the first place. Syrian scientist developed weapons of mass destruction? They're just chemical weapons, not nano technology or anything. Remember I said the Russians could have taken them with them when they left Iraq just before we went to war with Iraq. I think Isis had them and just used them on civilians. Your guess is as good as anyones, seriously. I think trump was played by his military. Well to late now to change anything. Even for a president, or a "deep state" actor that is privy to above top secret info, I think a total grasp of a situation is not always guaranteed. This is why Trump needs to follow the law. It was written a certain way for a reason.
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Re: NEWS 2017
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39523654More detail on the airstrike. Looks like Russia have said they are furious with the airstrike. [quote] Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin, called it "an act of aggression against a sovereign nation". Meanwhile, the Russian foreign ministry said it was suspending a deal with the US that was designed to prevent clashes in the skies over Syria as the two countries wage different campaigns. That is a stupid move. Their is an accident then what?
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Re: NEWS 2017
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39523654More detail on the airstrike. Looks like Russia have said they are furious with the airstrike.
Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin, called it "an act of aggression against a sovereign nation".
Meanwhile, the Russian foreign ministry said it was suspending a deal with the US that was designed to prevent clashes in the skies over Syria as the two countries wage different campaigns.
Amazing that the Americans/West, have investigated and decided that Assad/ Syrian GOVERNMENT ( yes, government. Which it is, not who the west thinks it should be) are responsible for a chemical attack. Took them all of 2 days to investigate and guess what people: ASSAD done it.Who would've thought that eh, USA/West do an unbiased investigation and their proclaimed enemy is responsible. 2 days to investigate a foreign powers actions but the Americans need 2++++ weeks to investigate their own actions when they f**k up and kill 200 in " terrible mistake " in airstrikes on MOSUL HOSPITAL. Also I see the Mosul airstrike dead casualties amount is going way up. http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-mosul-casualties-20170405-story.htmlPropaganda rules: Overstate casualties from the actions by the enemy. Put truer numbers later when story loses impact Understate casualties caused by yourself/ allies. Attack in Sweden, damn that will keep daily mail/right wingers busy typing away for next few days. Don't you know: SWEDEN IS UNDER SHARIA LAW
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