His most stupid move IMO was getting close to Peter Savino. All those precautions over the years and then he just throws them out the window for this guy!

I see what you mean with needing guys like Gotti to deflect attention. I guess for Chin, Gotti had broken the rules and was gaining power that threatened his so he had to go. That was more important to him.

Plus it's not like the all the feds were focusing all of their attention of Gotti. There was still a Genovese squad dedicated to bringing Chin down whether Gotti was around or not. Chin was indicted in May of 1990 when Gotti was still on the street.

How's the book. Worth the penny ??

As for Savino, absolutely. I remember discussing that in an old thread, Chin let his guard down because he saw "green".

Chin most definitely wasn't as smart as everyone made him out to be..and the only reason why he survived so long as boss was 1. His crazy act 2. Fact he didn't ask for much money from his capos.

The capos were only too happy for a guy like chin, he takes the heat and they get to keep more money.

Ya but chin went back with savino to 1980 seems like he liked the guy. He saved his life to. Chin had savinos business partner pappa whacked for those hits up other connected guys. The window scam didnt come up to later. Did the feds create the scam to entrap all these guys. You got to even wonder why amuso n casso were caught by savino they should had a soldier dealing with him but the greed.

How's the book. Worth the penny ??

As for Savino, absolutely. I remember discussing that in an old thread, Chin let his guard down because he saw "green".

Chin most definitely wasn't as smart as everyone made him out to be..and the only reason why he survived so long as boss was 1. His crazy act 2. Fact he didn't ask for much money from his capos.

The capos were only too happy for a guy like chin, he takes the heat and they get to keep more money.

Why "they get to keep more money" ?
He took 10% from every capo right ?

I support tough tonys claim..most capos have 2 divvy up way more than 10%..usually 30%..depends on the boss,look @ joe profaci ,who wanted about over half ..thats how initially the gallo war started,am i right?..fuckin' scarfo was THE greed of all greediest mothers 2 rula a family,he figured he had it coming 2 him,cause of the monotonous of being stuck in a.c. since 63..even though he was makin' ends meet more than handsomely according 2 Serp...& chin did certainly take off the heat so the capos could operate in relative peace..the feds were so intent on nailing the chin,they took their eyes off who was really doing the street work & literally bringing in the proceeds.

So vincent was a smart boss after all he had a great plan that worked for years, and he invented the "street boss".

Maybe he wasnt as "smart as everyone makes him out to be". He might have been smarter. No offense though, you make plausible points but its not that simple. He had the longest run of any boss in american LCN if im not mistaken, and who really knows how long he was pulling the strings. He was also ruthless and crafty. When you say he only lasted because of his crazy act, you are overlooking the commitment, discipline and shrewdness to actually pull that off as long as he did. Thats like saying "the patriots are only aucessful because Belicheck is an amazing coach". No shit but that's a pretty big only.

Maybe he wasnt as "smart as everyone makes him out to be". He might have been smarter. No offense though, you make plausible points but its not that simple. He had the longest run of any boss in american LCN if im not mistaken, and who really knows how long he was pulling the strings. He was also ruthless and crafty. When you say he only lasted because of his crazy act, you are overlooking the commitment, discipline and shrewdness to actually pull that off as long as he did. Thats like saying "the patriots are only aucessful because Belicheck is an amazing coach". No shit but that's a pretty big only.

I support tough tonys claim..most capos have 2 divvy up way more than 10%..usually 30%..depends on the boss,look @ joe profaci ,who wanted about over half ..thats how initially the gallo war started,am i right?..fuckin' scarfo was THE greed of all greediest mothers 2 rula a family,he figured he had it coming 2 him,cause of the monotonous of being stuck in a.c. since 63..even though he was makin' ends meet more than handsomely according 2 Serp...& chin did certainly take off the heat so the capos could operate in relative peace..the feds were so intent on nailing the chin,they took their eyes off who was really doing the street work & literally bringing in the proceeds.

Maybe he wasnt as "smart as everyone makes him out to be". He might have been smarter. No offense though, you make plausible points but its not that simple. He had the longest run of any boss in american LCN if im not mistaken, and who really knows how long he was pulling the strings. He was also ruthless and crafty. When you say he only lasted because of his crazy act, you are overlooking the commitment, discipline and shrewdness to actually pull that off as long as he did. Thats like saying "the patriots are only aucessful because Belicheck is an amazing coach". No shit but that's a pretty big only.

Actually, Scarfo wasn't that greedy. Sure, according to Phil Leonetti he took the whole share once or twice, but on most occasions Scarfo set up what they called "The Elbow" which consisted of him and like 6 or 7 of his closest guys.Maniac? Yeah. Bloodthirsty, yeah. Greedy? Not really. Not with money anyways. He was all about the power and the life.

Not even close to having the longest run of an American LCN Boss. Tony Accardo has him beat by decades. At the very least Accardo was Boss by most accounts 1943. He held the top spot for at least 30 years or more. Joe Zerilli has him beat, Joe Bonanno has him beat. I can name others. He might be in the top 5 but I doubt it. Jack Tocco, Joe Profaci, Gigante was Boss at most from the early 80s to his death in 2005 which would put him in charge around 8 years after he was locked up. That would put him Boss while free on the street about the same time span Carlo Gambino was.Hell, if we count prison time included the Snake has been Boss twice as long as Gigante was.

Sorry have to disagree... in the mob it all boils down to the green 99.9% of the time

U cite the LCN street tax rule was pretty much enforced everywhere meaning it was Scarfo/ Testa's right to enforce the rule. And more so "respect" as to what kicked off the war


Then why did Vic and Gas issue the "whack Jersey" edict... it was because Tumac only kicked upped a small amount and Tony Ducks was happy with that arrangement (yes Vic Gas got greedy) and felt they were getting robbed

But that situation was no different to the Ricobene situation

U said they went to war over "disrespect" well balking at the street tax is the same thing- they go hand in hand

Harry didn't want to share and in the end he surrendered by handling over his entire operations

No guys did make money under Bruno/ u cite Nicky Crow making more
Money under Scarfo then he did with Bruno

Nicky crow was just a con man under Mickey Diamond and once he went to work under Scarfo- he made more money because Scarfo gave him the opportunity to

Doesn't mean it wasn't there prior/ just that Bruno didn't open the doors for him

I'm NOT suggesting the Luchese/ Jersey war was anything like the Riccobene war. What I was reffering to- was tha fact that BOTH Tumac and Harry had the same situation with the bosses.

Tumac only had to kick up a certain percentage to ducks. And Harry had the same understanding with Bruno

So my point was- both wars started over money/ which is a sign of disrespect. they go hand in hand.

According to Leonetti Harry was breaking a lot of LCN rules (whether true or not) who knows

George Anastasia's take in the Crow's book is that Harry "balked at the street tax"

Ya but chin went back with savino to 1980 seems like he liked the guy. He saved his life to. Chin had savinos business partner pappa whacked for those hits up other connected guys. The window scam didnt come up to later. Did the feds create the scam to entrap all these guys. You got to even wonder why amuso n casso were caught by savino they should had a soldier dealing with him but the greed.