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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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That's an interesting question, I was asking myself this too, why no ethnic Anglo-Saxon mobs in the USA. In the UK, there are plenty of local mafia-type organizations, but they never took hold in America. The Shelton brothers maybe are the only exception (the ones who were at war with Charlie Birger during Prohibition, bombed his headquarters from an airplane even). I am not 100% sure they were really Anglo-Saxon though, anyone could confirm or refute this?
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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That's an interesting question, I was asking myself this too, why no ethnic Anglo-Saxon mobs in the USA. In the UK, there are plenty of local mafia-type organizations, but they never took hold in America. The Shelton brothers maybe are the only exception (the ones who were at war with Charlie Birger during Prohibition, bombed his headquarters from an airplane even). I am not 100% sure they were really Anglo-Saxon though, anyone could confirm or refute this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelton_Brothers_GangAncestors of the Shelton Brothers Gang trace their roots back to Ireland, under the surname "Hunter".Nope they was Irish.
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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That's an interesting question, I was asking myself this too, why no ethnic Anglo-Saxon mobs in the USA. In the UK, there are plenty of local mafia-type organizations, but they never took hold in America. The Shelton brothers maybe are the only exception (the ones who were at war with Charlie Birger during Prohibition, bombed his headquarters from an airplane even). I am not 100% sure they were really Anglo-Saxon though, anyone could confirm or refute this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelton_Brothers_GangAncestors of the Shelton Brothers Gang trace their roots back to Ireland, under the surname "Hunter".Nope they was Irish. Interesting, I see this has been added to the wikipedia article, last time I checked it time ago, it wasn't there. But is there a source for the information? I have a book about the Shelton brothers, "Brothers notorious" by Taylor Pensonneau, it says the Sheltons moved from Kentucky to Wayne county in the middle of the 19th century, but they were already called Shelton by then. It seems the author could find detailed information about their ancestors before they came to America, it was probably centuries before that, so I wonder where does the information that they were called Hunter in Ireland, come from. It's interesting, hope they provide a link to the source later.
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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Dixie mafia wasn't a structured group to begin with and just a name given to a group of traveling criminals.
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Yes they exist just there's no unique brand name to label them. 1% clubs are your closest to anglo mobs per say. I must say it's interesting that pretty much all known criminal organizations that have a large amount of Anglo members are 1% clubs or ( usually prison based ) white power outfits . I suppose part of the reason as to why is the fact that many urban areas in America have had a major lack of lower and working class Anglo Americans for some time now . Then again quite a few Southern cities have large lower/working class Anglo American populations , yet still lack any bona fide Anglo mob groups . This topic would make for an interesting sociological study at any rate .
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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Never heard of Anglo gangs but I guess there has always been British villains operating in the US to some degree but not as gangs.
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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"Dixie mafia" was always a term for local criminal groups that conducted fairly organized mob-like activities in the Deep South (mainly Mississippi, Alabama, rural Georgia and Florida...). I'd say they're as close to "Anglo" as it gets in the USA. They're not big "gangs" as such; I'd say they veered closer to the UK "crime firms" in terms of structure. Smaller, independent mobs with a reasonable level of organization. Are mobs like these still active in parts of the South? Most probably, yes.
The white prison gangs like Aryan Brotherhood for instance may have that "Irish" thing going on in their history, but I'd say in places like Cali most of them have an "Anglo" background.
If I have to go by a book I read, several London mobs have made travels to the USA (mainly Florida), but I don't really think they had any real businesses going on there. I mean, OC always has to operate from a certain community. The off-the-boat British community isn't really big enough in any part of the USA, and most British that do live in the US don't really have the background OC thrives off.
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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The "mafia style" structure your intrigue is really going to be little to non existence in these groups. Think about it from a different angle, How many crime groups or Firms in England have that structure? There's different structures that effective for 1 group but not for others per say. It's certainly true that one cannot expect all mob groups to have the same structure , however the point I was trying to make was that no currently existing Anglo criminal organizations in the USA can be put into the same category as ( say ) the late Benny Binion organization . I mean the Aryan Brotherhood ( as well as many other white power prison outfits ) definitely has a structure , yet it would be a mistake to refer to it as a mob group , since it's a completely different type of criminal organization . After all these white power prison gangs pretty much confine their activities to behind prison walls , so it would be a mistake to put them into the same category as bona fide mob groups . At any rate while I admit this topic might be a little bit pedantic , I still think it's interesting to note that Anglo mob groups have essentially gone the way of the dodo in the US . Numerous reasons probably abound as to why , but it seems that Anglo criminals prefer criminal networks to criminal organizations when outside of prison .
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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"Dixie mafia" was always a term for local criminal groups that conducted fairly organized mob-like activities in the Deep South (mainly Mississippi, Alabama, rural Georgia and Florida...). I'd say they're as close to "Anglo" as it gets in the USA. They're not big "gangs" as such; I'd say they veered closer to the UK "crime firms" in terms of structure. Smaller, independent mobs with a reasonable level of organization. Are mobs like these still active in parts of the South? Most probably, yes.
The white prison gangs like Aryan Brotherhood for instance may have that "Irish" thing going on in their history, but I'd say in places like Cali most of them have an "Anglo" background.
If I have to go by a book I read, several London mobs have made travels to the USA (mainly Florida), but I don't really think they had any real businesses going on there. I mean, OC always has to operate from a certain community. The off-the-boat British community isn't really big enough in any part of the USA, and most British that do live in the US don't really have the background OC thrives off. To my knowledge the so called Dixie mafia wasn't organized at all . It just happened to be a network of White Southern criminals who got the mafia label stuck to them , because the feds were desperate to put away a few of their members for a long time . Of course the Dixie mafia did have members who were more influential than others ( such as Mike Gillich ) , but even he was far from being a mob boss to my understanding .
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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"Dixie mafia" was always a term for local criminal groups that conducted fairly organized mob-like activities in the Deep South (mainly Mississippi, Alabama, rural Georgia and Florida...). I'd say they're as close to "Anglo" as it gets in the USA. They're not big "gangs" as such; I'd say they veered closer to the UK "crime firms" in terms of structure. Smaller, independent mobs with a reasonable level of organization. Are mobs like these still active in parts of the South? Most probably, yes.
The white prison gangs like Aryan Brotherhood for instance may have that "Irish" thing going on in their history, but I'd say in places like Cali most of them have an "Anglo" background.
If I have to go by a book I read, several London mobs have made travels to the USA (mainly Florida), but I don't really think they had any real businesses going on there. I mean, OC always has to operate from a certain community. The off-the-boat British community isn't really big enough in any part of the USA, and most British that do live in the US don't really have the background OC thrives off. To my knowledge the so called Dixie mafia wasn't organized at all . It just happened to be a network of White Southern criminals who got the mafia label stuck to them , because the feds were desperate to put away a few of their members for a long time . Of course the Dixie mafia did have members who were more influential than others ( such as Mike Gillich ) , but even he was far from being a mob boss to my understanding . My point is that there, of course, was never a big organized criminal structure called the "Dixie mafia". Every small mob-like outfit active in the Deep South was being described as the "Dixie mafia". Were they "organized"? Depends on what you'd call "organized". They were not "organized" in the same way you'd call the New York Families "organized". But when you're making the benjamins with racketeering activities like some of those small outfits were making (take for instance a look at Harlan Blackburn's "Cracker mob"), I'd reckon you're worthy of being described as "organized crime".
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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"Dixie mafia" was always a term for local criminal groups that conducted fairly organized mob-like activities in the Deep South (mainly Mississippi, Alabama, rural Georgia and Florida...). I'd say they're as close to "Anglo" as it gets in the USA. They're not big "gangs" as such; I'd say they veered closer to the UK "crime firms" in terms of structure. Smaller, independent mobs with a reasonable level of organization. Are mobs like these still active in parts of the South? Most probably, yes.
The white prison gangs like Aryan Brotherhood for instance may have that "Irish" thing going on in their history, but I'd say in places like Cali most of them have an "Anglo" background.
If I have to go by a book I read, several London mobs have made travels to the USA (mainly Florida), but I don't really think they had any real businesses going on there. I mean, OC always has to operate from a certain community. The off-the-boat British community isn't really big enough in any part of the USA, and most British that do live in the US don't really have the background OC thrives off. To my knowledge the so called Dixie mafia wasn't organized at all . It just happened to be a network of White Southern criminals who got the mafia label stuck to them , because the feds were desperate to put away a few of their members for a long time . Of course the Dixie mafia did have members who were more influential than others ( such as Mike Gillich ) , but even he was far from being a mob boss to my understanding . My point is that there, of course, was never a big organized criminal structure called the "Dixie mafia". Every small mob-like outfit active in the Deep South was being described as the "Dixie mafia". Were they "organized"? Depends on what you'd call "organized". They were not "organized" in the same way you'd call the New York Families "organized". But when you're making the benjamins with racketeering activities like some of those small outfits were making (take for instance a look at Harlan Blackburn's "Cracker mob"), I'd reckon you're worthy of being described as "organized crime". Not to be argumentative , however I do believe that the so called Cracker Mob was an actual mob group unlike the Dixie mafia . Based on what I've read Harlan Blackburn was the uncontested boss of the Cracker Mob , and he had at least one lieutenant ( Clyde Lee ) , which means that the Cracker mob was ( at the very least ) much closer to being an actual mob group than the Dixie mafia . Of course you're right that the definition of organized boils down to semantics , yet I still think there's a big difference between groups of criminals who have an actual hierarchy and groups of criminals who just happen to work together .
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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"Dixie mafia" was always a term for local criminal groups that conducted fairly organized mob-like activities in the Deep South (mainly Mississippi, Alabama, rural Georgia and Florida...). I'd say they're as close to "Anglo" as it gets in the USA. They're not big "gangs" as such; I'd say they veered closer to the UK "crime firms" in terms of structure. Smaller, independent mobs with a reasonable level of organization. Are mobs like these still active in parts of the South? Most probably, yes.
The white prison gangs like Aryan Brotherhood for instance may have that "Irish" thing going on in their history, but I'd say in places like Cali most of them have an "Anglo" background.
If I have to go by a book I read, several London mobs have made travels to the USA (mainly Florida), but I don't really think they had any real businesses going on there. I mean, OC always has to operate from a certain community. The off-the-boat British community isn't really big enough in any part of the USA, and most British that do live in the US don't really have the background OC thrives off. To my knowledge the so called Dixie mafia wasn't organized at all . It just happened to be a network of White Southern criminals who got the mafia label stuck to them , because the feds were desperate to put away a few of their members for a long time . Of course the Dixie mafia did have members who were more influential than others ( such as Mike Gillich ) , but even he was far from being a mob boss to my understanding . My point is that there, of course, was never a big organized criminal structure called the "Dixie mafia". Every small mob-like outfit active in the Deep South was being described as the "Dixie mafia". Were they "organized"? Depends on what you'd call "organized". They were not "organized" in the same way you'd call the New York Families "organized". But when you're making the benjamins with racketeering activities like some of those small outfits were making (take for instance a look at Harlan Blackburn's "Cracker mob"), I'd reckon you're worthy of being described as "organized crime". Not to be argumentative , however I do believe that the so called Cracker Mob was an actual mob group unlike the Dixie mafia . Based on what I've read Harlan Blackburn was the uncontested boss of the Cracker Mob , and he had at least one lieutenant ( Clyde Lee ) , which means that the Cracker mob was ( at the very least ) much closer to being an actual mob group than the Dixie mafia . Of course you're right that the definition of organized boils down to semantics , yet I still think there's a big difference between groups of criminals who have an actual hierarchy and groups of criminals who just happen to work together . Like I said your view of the "Dixie mafia" is just based on Gillich' band of crooks. At one point every small criminal firm in the deep south was being described as "Dixie mafia", just because the name stuck like glue. For instance, you had Dewitt-Dawson's organization operating in Alabama as well. Even if we're just keeping it to Gillich' gang, "loosely organized" they may be, they still had quite a lot of people (including officials) in their pockets. Sounds OC enough to my ears.
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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2A,
Not true on White prison gangs. They have plenty activity outside the prison. Aryan Brotherhood Offshoots will represent that Anglo mob groups. Read articles about the Texas AB and how their hierarchy extends into the free world and likewise for other Offshoots. Heck even here in Mississippi they just Rico the AB back in 2015. I've read that the AB has a presence outside of prison , but I'm not aware of it being particularly significant . At least not compared to ( for example ) the Mexican Mafia's influence , which is supposed to have all Sureno gangs at their beck and call .
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