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Re: Irish left out of the National Syndicate
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This excerpt from the Wikipedia page on the Atlantic City Conference of 1929 explains the absence of an Irish element in the National Syndicate quite well in my opinion: The Irish had begun a type of criminal assimilation, leaving behind violent street rackets and moving onto more sophisticated types of organized illegality, such as taking over and corrupting the police force and local government of large cities. As author T. J. English writes; "In later years, when Luciano or Meyer Lansky would ask, “What about the Irish? Who’s taking care of the Irish?” They didn’t mean Irish mobsters. They meant the Irish cops, politicians, and establishment figures who were ‘friendly.’ In the eyes of many Italian and Jewish gangsters, this was the fair and proper role for the Irish in the underworld; since they had ‘gotten here first,’ so to speak, and had infiltrated the upperworld, that was their function. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_City_Conference
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Re: Irish left out of the National Syndicate
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Re: Irish left out of the National Syndicate
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05/14/17 11:25 PM
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Most of the Irish were loose cannons, but they were very prominent in the unions. the irish were very prominent in the NYC police dept, for many years they were a major force in the NYPD, and in new york politics, tammany hall they held sway. they were more accepted than other immigrants, because they were white, and could speak the english language.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: Irish left out of the National Syndicate
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Furio,
Irish encountered brutal and ugly prejudice in America, I'd say it was as bad as any White ethnic group encountered here.
gets, personally i think you are very wrong. as i posted, they were white, and could speak the english language, bringing them politcal power, in nyc, and boston, and many more cities.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: Irish left out of the National Syndicate
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05/15/17 10:46 AM
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Furio,
Irish encountered brutal and ugly prejudice in America, I'd say it was as bad as any White ethnic group encountered here.
gets, personally i think you are very wrong. as i posted, they were white, and could speak the english language, bringing them politcal power, in nyc, and boston, and many more cities. Binnie, There was a part of my post that I erased because I thought it could be inflammatory and lead to arguments here. But I'll write it now. Anti -Irish prejudice which originated in England in pop culture/media was adopted here in the United States. Fake science which claimed that due to a Irishman's facial structure/head size that he wasn't white....and that he wasn't human. Also the fact that they were Catholics in a largely Protestant country lead to unleashing long held anti Catholic prejudices here. They were also the first large group of poor immigrants to arrive here in waves. Some of the most brutal riots and terrorist acts directed at white immigrants in our nation's history were directed at the Irish. From what I gather about the Irish, they expertly made lemonade from lemons. Cop,Fireman were non desirable jobs..dangerous..low paying back then. Irish went into those positions, dominating the ranks and using them as platforms into the middle class. They used civil service jobs and politics to gain power and created their own institutions(churches,schools,political groups) because the mainstream didn't want anything to do with them. I'd agree to some degree with your point that being able to speak English and not looking different than "mainstream" Americans were advantages they had that later White ethnic groups didn't.Every new immigrant group has to take their lumps and among white groups I don't think others took more lumps than the first groups of the large Irish wave.
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Re: Irish left out of the National Syndicate
[Re: AntSamuel]
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05/15/17 11:18 AM
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I wonder why Irish gangsters, for most part were not included in the syndicate? Jewish gangsters like lepke n shapiro, lansky,bugsy n schultz were brought in the fold but big time irish gangsters were rubbed out or ostracized. From a social viewpoint it was all about timing. The Irish had been here in the U.S. for thirty to forty years by the time the Italians and Jews started coming in large numbers. The National Syndicate was primarily for the more upstart and newer immigrant groups.
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