Thanks !

I agree dsd on those two . I can't stand getting involved in a pointless discussion and internet beefs over such nonsense , so I'll call myself out on that but it's comical how some individuals arrive at their knowledge base lol . Every race has every type of criminal so using ones own biased gernalizations and attempt to pass it off as fact needs to be called out at least once lol . Poverty , failure of local education system and lack of legit opportunities is what drives crime and crime culture, that's true here , with Italian Americans decades ago and wherever you are in the world .

I'm not a big welcome back type guy but welcome back PB lol and I'm sorry for your loss. It seems you and the old man did a lot of positive and successful things together and at the end of the day that's all that really matters

joseph foti huh? never heard of the guy, but it looks like theres a joseph foti who runs a couple contracting businesses downtown and up past the bronx.

i love this place and theres always a lotta good info, but i had to laugh at the speculation or Miglore being a CW. Come on...lol

there should have been 4-5 people who knew about the meldish murder. its crazy someone who doesnt even seem to be made can get wired up and catch guys talking about it.

feel bad for the londionio family and spouses a little... this dude gets busted like 10 years after his brother was all over the news for a shootout with the cops. Capeci is gospel more or less, but remember he had the older londonio guy as a bonnano solider/associate in an older article i remember.

another thing i wonder is if this will ripple to other families...because maybe they keep the construction money to themselves but for the most part all these guys work with guys from other families. the past 3 or so bronx busts had people who answer to different places all working together

Don't think anyone said Milore was the one that flipped it was just who would be high enough to know all the ins and outs thinking Crea would never let a associate know all !!!

Pizza a very knowledgeable poster mentioned it may be somebody up high and very powerful!!!

And Tommy was talking about someone else if you finish his post !


No one said Neil was a rat ... you are looking to far into it .

If pb told some of these guys that their mother was a rat, they would be walking to their mothers house with a shovel

@bigfella Please stay on topic. Good Capeci column this week. Interesting thread. I wonder who the other informants are.

"In addition to the tape recordings that Foti made, the government also used jailhouse recordings and court-authorized electronic surveillance during the lengthy investigation, prosecutors told Judge Seibel last week. The feds also used other informers in the probe, although their identities are still secret."

Joseph Fotti is only an associate, some of the details emerging indicates someone who is made set the wheels in motion, and it seems to becoming from a former member of the Purple Gang, or at least someone who has vast knowledge of that Gang.

Im sure the feds used that bronx guy rubeo who wore the wire against pat parello and merlino. Read he had joint card game with creas kid.

The trial will be fireworks. Vinny asoro trial for firebombing a car starts in august i wonder when there trial will be. These guys are old you think before the end of the year. I bet theyll have to split it up. To many defendants.

Or it could be exactly what Capeci said it was, Foti, recorded prison conversations and court approved wiretaps, that were placed that led them to all this information. As well as the unnamed informants Capeci mentioned whom may or may not be "former members of the Purple Gang". According to Capeci, it seems to be mostly the former, as opposed to what you're claiming. And at the time of Meldish's murder, the Purple Gang for the most part had ceased to exist. Meldish himself had no Purple Gang, he himself was a former member of the old "Purple Gang" group, but Meldish's group for the most part was his own little crew which consisted of guys who sold drugs specifically under his watch, if reports are correct .

^^^^^^ Crazy once someone is comfortable talking around one or one sees people that they trust talking to that person all common sense goes out the window and that's how theses guys get hurt.

I remember hearing shit that no one should of herd and would hear it at a bar .

The night Yogi got knocked down he was drinking so much Phil got wind of it a block away and came to the cafe and set him right , Yogi was saying shit that could of got him hurt and if the wrong people herd it he would have.

Some of these guys think it's nothing to tell there boys and look where it's got them.

Its going to be interesting to see what happens, members on the other forum has raised some valid points about Crea, opening up the possibility that he may just flip. He was a target of Casso, Georgie Neck, and Papagni. He was essentially the only Bronx guy on the ruling panel in the early 90s. And those guys feared that the power would ultimately shift back to The Bronx because Crea was basically the last man on the street. He's done plea deals in the past and has never really served substantial amounts of prison time. He was also the smart type who never wished to associate with his cohorts fearing being spotted and violating his parole guidelines. He almost reminds me of Massino considering that. And a plea doesnt seem to be a possibility for him in this situation, gonna be interesting nevertheless to see what develops from here on out.

I BELEIVE CREA FLIPS FOR NO OTHER REASON OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT HIS SON IS POTENTIALLY FACING THE DEATH PENALTY. CREA Jr LIVES IN A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE AND HAS NEVER BEEN CONVICTED AND IMPRISONED BEFORE. I BELEIVE IT WILL BE SIMILAR TO THE CANTARELLAS.

Wonder Boy is not going to flip. If this was in the early or mid 2000's, I would say there is a strong possibility. His name has popped up on this forum and the Black***** forum a few times (a nod to HairyKnuckles for identifying his rank in the 90's) he was the one that allegedly had a talk with Crea, Migliore, and DiNapoli in Rochelle and almost right after that rumored meeting, the violence in the Lucchese family went way down, and the profits went way up according to LE.

I don't see Crea flipping but if he did then wow as he would likely have a ton on some of the Genovese Bronx and NJ construction guys . I still don't see that happening as he was close to Madonna . Anyone know if Matt had someone close to him flip ? As he doesn't seem like the type to talk serious crimes to a member he wasn't absolutely sure of like Crea. The brother of the made Bronx guy with construction business makes sense as people might of felt ok talking in front of him if his brother did given who he likely was with .

This is just a huge bust that can go really deep if a big time Bronx construction guy talks . These guys must have been doing a ton of real estate and similar stuff and I bet there are loads of monster construction deals in NYC that they were apart of. Right now they are finishing up a big hotel deal in lower Manhatten that had to be well over $50M. I think some of these construction guys got real big again on the DL

Still it's very surprising the Feds could get a murder rap back to the bosses , something seems up . I can't see that every happening with the west side and it's probably going to be very hard to stick anything on Barney unless his front flips

Personally if someone flipped I think it's a Brooklyn Luchesse made guy as I can see a bunch of those guys being unhappy and if one got pinched he probably didn't have bail , lawyer or $ for his family .

I think thats part of the whole possibility of someone like Crea flipping, is the fact that they're facing murder charges. Its also just what you said DB, its surprising that the feds were able to connect a murder back to those top guys.

isnt the guy Anthony Croce the capo for Joe Datello? is he retired/inactive? if not, i wonder why hes missing here. how can one of your soliders get indicted for attempted murder but not you, in an "up the chain" type racketeering indictment?

Interesting posts fellas thanks for sharing and again welcome back ob

How does John Castelle fit into all this do u think? I know he lost his kid to oxy od in jail last year which is a shame, but wondering more about him since hes a BK/staten island lucchese capo?

Croce"s Son died 3 years ago also. Not sure how he passed. RIP

I'm pretty sure that the soldiers listed in the indictments are under the capos or acting capos listed in the indictment. If a captain isn't listed, odds are the soldier wasn't under that guy at the time of the indictment. Like the supposed "fresh street talk" that was often mentioned on this forum had Londonio under some other named capo or him being a capo himself, when the actual indictment showed that that talk was wrong and Londonio was a soldier under Crea Jr.

yeah i figured. figured he was probably inactive , but i wonder who datello was under if he did get switched and/or croce is inactive. i swear i remember reading (i could be wrong) in GL before they got him on the murder (first it was a gun charge) that they mistakenly ID'ed Londonio as a Bonanno solider under Patty Maiorino. but i think the chips fell and we found out maiorino was a solider and londonio was with the luccheses

Big Joe Datello might just be a Capo right now as he was always a high level soldier going back more than 20 years. If Create has major Juice in Construction and the unions Joe is almost his equal regarding the unions and the construction industry. Joes extended family are and were Major heavyweights in a number of the labor unions,Especially Local 20 Concrete union Local 18a and a handful of others.His brother Carmine controlled local 20 for many years along with cousins and others who held major positions until he was forced to resign and retire just a few years ago, He still pulls the strings from behind the scenes.Big Joe was also basically Crea's right hand man and partner,The two are and always have been connected at the hip and one was always seen with the other. If he's not a Capo he definitely answers directly to Create and is under Create sr !

Big Joe also has a son who is big in local 20 and has control of 2 Big companies,One involved in Plumbing and the other a concrete company,He changed his name and uses his mothers name !

he's just been indicted as a soldier , so he's NOT a capo , he is in dom truscello's crew . It's in the indictment

Should have worded that different, What I meant is I'm surprised he's not a Capo at this point in time,And provably because the guy has been in and out of every jail and prison over the last,Almost 20 years

You didnt mean to word anything different, someone else once again proved you were wrong via what the indictment actually says and you attempted to change your story. Hes NOT Crea Sr's equal at all, hes been indicted as a soldier and is under Truscello, another capo listed in the indictment, hence he DOESNT answer directly to Crea Sr. Crea Sr is an underboss and was indicted as such. Try reading the indictment and learn the facts instead of doing your usual and making things up.

Ohhhhhhh OK if that's what I meant, I am so so sooo very sorry to offend you sir !! If you go back the last 20 plus years and do a lil reading and research it is very clear to see that Joe is constantly with Crea !! Especially the 2000-2001 indictment,Joe regularly reports directly to CreA ,And rightfully so since Datello and his extended family hold many key positions in a number of unions and ownership/Ties to many large and small businesses

Correct.

This recent 2017 Lucchese bust and indictment says you're wrong and that Datello is under, as in, a part of the crew of, Truscello. So you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, theres only one charge in the indictment that directly links Datello with Crea Sr. And thats the attempt to find and possibly murder the CW in New Hampshire. And we dont even know the context of that as it only says Datello was given Crea's blessing for that act . A blessing that he couldve gotten through his captain, seeing as he's a soldier and all.