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Re: Arab OC Thread
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06/27/17 02:18 AM
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They are more or less not OC. They do sell drugs and scam welfare and can call up 50 Cousins to beat you up but they are more street thugs than everything else and not in a league other etinical oc groups. One particular familiy in germany is really successful cause they have ties to the music industry though. They are mostly forbidden to work in the countries they immigrated so that why its seem all of them are criminals when its just big big families who wanna survive properly. The youth ofc think they live a hard live and behave like they are big time criminals but they mostly are not what they seem to be. So besides being attacked by them in a club or street for whatever reason or selling drugs to their customers you dont have to fear them.
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Re: Arab OC Thread
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06/28/17 12:56 PM
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They are more or less not OC. They do sell drugs and scam welfare and can call up 50 Cousins to beat you up but they are more street thugs than everything else and not in a league other etinical oc groups. One particular familiy in germany is really successful cause they have ties to the music industry though. They are mostly forbidden to work in the countries they immigrated so that why its seem all of them are criminals when its just big big families who wanna survive properly. The youth ofc think they live a hard live and behave like they are big time criminals but they mostly are not what they seem to be. So besides being attacked by them in a club or street for whatever reason or selling drugs to their customers you dont have to fear them. Which family is the one that has connections to the music industry ?
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Re: Arab OC Thread
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Here's the Wiki article concerning the Lebanese mafia : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_mafia
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Re: Arab OC Thread
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"Arab"-related OC is a Lebanese, North African or Assyrian thing. The Lebanese clans in for instance Germany (or Australia) do seem to regard themselves as Arabs; the North Africans and Assyrians definitely don't. Basically every Moroccan dude I know over here postures himself as a proud Berber and wouldn't pass up on the opportunity to dismiss Arabs as being a "bunch of pansies".
To write them off as a bunch of petty drug dealers is definitely missing the mark a bit. Sure there's plenty of low level rats among them, but there's quite a few who work in the higher regions of the drug trade. Moroccans in for instance Antwerp bring in tons of dope, as do Algerians in for instance the north of Marseille. There's local protection rackets aplenty, prostitution, money laundering... Some of them have definitely moved beyond your average street punk status.
The Assyrians in Detroit had huge mob connections as well. In for instance Sodertalje in Sweden they have formed structures that more or less resemble a local mob outfit. A similar situation is in the southwest of Sydney; where the local street cliques are just farm teams up to do some of the dirty work.
As far as the Lebanese go in Berlin; I feel the Abou-Chakers (the family that has ties to the local rap industry through Bushido) is far from being the most feared or powerful. The Al Zein - Omeirat family has way more pull with branches throughout the whole of Germany as well as international connections. Drugs, extortion, weapons, organized robbery...the whole enchilada. That German series 4 Blocks kinda portrayed them as somewhat cartoonesk criminals that, despite the intimidation tactics, are opposed to murder. Far from the truth as they're definitely not shy to whack someone (the case of Zaki Al Zein for instance).
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Re: Arab OC Thread
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"Arab"-related OC is a Lebanese, North African or Assyrian thing. The Lebanese clans in for instance Germany (or Australia) do seem to regard themselves as Arabs; the North Africans and Assyrians definitely don't. Basically every Moroccan dude I know over here postures himself as a proud Berber and wouldn't pass up on the opportunity to dismiss Arabs as being a "bunch of pansies".
To write them off as a bunch of petty drug dealers is definitely missing the mark a bit. Sure there's plenty of low level rats among them, but there's quite a few who work in the higher regions of the drug trade. Moroccans in for instance Antwerp bring in tons of dope, as do Algerians in for instance the north of Marseille. There's local protection rackets aplenty, prostitution, money laundering... Some of them have definitely moved beyond your average street punk status. Co-signed 100% The Moroccans have entered the highest levels of organized crime over here in Holland and Belgium. Guys like Ridouan Taghi and Houssine Ait Soussan, just to name a couple, are anything but your average street punk that's for damn' sure..
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Re: Arab OC Thread
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"Arab"-related OC is a Lebanese, North African or Assyrian thing. The Lebanese clans in for instance Germany (or Australia) do seem to regard themselves as Arabs; the North Africans and Assyrians definitely don't. Basically every Moroccan dude I know over here postures himself as a proud Berber and wouldn't pass up on the opportunity to dismiss Arabs as being a "bunch of pansies".
To write them off as a bunch of petty drug dealers is definitely missing the mark a bit. Sure there's plenty of low level rats among them, but there's quite a few who work in the higher regions of the drug trade. Moroccans in for instance Antwerp bring in tons of dope, as do Algerians in for instance the north of Marseille. There's local protection rackets aplenty, prostitution, money laundering... Some of them have definitely moved beyond your average street punk status. Co-signed 100% The Moroccans have entered the highest levels of organized crime over here in Holland and Belgium. Guys like Ridouan Taghi and Houssine Ait Soussan, just to name a couple, are anything but your average street punk that's for damn' sure.. The Moroccans were big in New York from what I am told, but they have kept out of the news in an Amazing way. I heard stirs form an ex-detective who was active from1984 till some time in the early part of this century, and he told us that the Moroccans had small but very strong groups in Brooklyn and Queens. He also told s many were less ethnic in dress and mannerisms, although hey kept their culture in some ways. I did not know if was true, and still wonder about it.
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Re: Arab OC Thread
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07/20/18 09:46 AM
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Re: Arab OC Thread
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GERMAN FIGHT AGAINST LARGE CRIMINAL FAMILIES Fight against criminal large families The federal and state governments want to intensify the fight against large criminal families. Why police investigations are very difficult against them, explained Islamist Ralph Ghadban.
Solidarity within the family makes these clans particularly dangerous because even non-criminal members would cover others' crimes, Ralph Ghadban said in the SWR: "This close involvement enables them to commit particularly many crimes and thus accumulate wealth . The cohesion within the family is therefore even stronger in Germany than in Lebanon.
Completely different structures than the mafia This clan crime would have completely different structures than, say, the Italian or Russian mafia, because here the family as a whole is involved. "Organized crime is where different people from Russia, Romania or Bulgaria get together to commit crimes," said Ghadban.
Clans mainly in Berlin active - partly in Stuttgart The Arabian clans are to be found mainly in Berlin and in the northern federal states, ie Lower Saxony, North Rhine-Westphalia and Bremen. In the south, some communities had formed in Stuttgart. But only recently.
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Re: Arab OC Thread
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As far as the Lebanese go in Berlin; I feel the Abou-Chakers (the family that has ties to the local rap industry through Bushido) is far from being the most feared or powerful. The Al Zein - Omeirat family has way more pull with branches throughout the whole of Germany as well as international connections. Drugs, extortion, weapons, organized robbery...the whole enchilada. That German series 4 Blocks kinda portrayed them as somewhat cartoonesk criminals that, despite the intimidation tactics, are opposed to murder. Far from the truth as they're definitely not shy to whack someone (the case of Zaki Al Zein for instance). Miri, Al-Zein, Harb, El Maach and Omeirat are the dominant lebanese clans huge families.
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Re: Arab OC Thread
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"Arab"-related OC is a Lebanese, North African or Assyrian thing. The Lebanese clans in for instance Germany (or Australia) do seem to regard themselves as Arabs; the North Africans and Assyrians definitely don't. Basically every Moroccan dude I know over here postures himself as a proud Berber and wouldn't pass up on the opportunity to dismiss Arabs as being a "bunch of pansies".
To write them off as a bunch of petty drug dealers is definitely missing the mark a bit. Sure there's plenty of low level rats among them, but there's quite a few who work in the higher regions of the drug trade. Moroccans in for instance Antwerp bring in tons of dope, as do Algerians in for instance the north of Marseille. There's local protection rackets aplenty, prostitution, money laundering... Some of them have definitely moved beyond your average street punk status.
The Assyrians in Detroit had huge mob connections as well. In for instance Sodertalje in Sweden they have formed structures that more or less resemble a local mob outfit. A similar situation is in the southwest of Sydney; where the local street cliques are just farm teams up to do some of the dirty work.
As far as the Lebanese go in Berlin; I feel the Abou-Chakers (the family that has ties to the local rap industry through Bushido) is far from being the most feared or powerful. The Al Zein - Omeirat family has way more pull with branches throughout the whole of Germany as well as international connections. Drugs, extortion, weapons, organized robbery...the whole enchilada. That German series 4 Blocks kinda portrayed them as somewhat cartoonesk criminals that, despite the intimidation tactics, are opposed to murder. Far from the truth as they're definitely not shy to whack someone (the case of Zaki Al Zein for instance). Do Assyrian OC groups in Europe tend to be Christian or Muslim or does it vary ? I'm asking because ( as I'm sure you know ) the Assyrians in Detroit were notable for being Christian and I think that Ray Akrawi himself used the excuse of being Christian during his deportation trial . Also is it known what international connections the AL Zeins have ?
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Re: Arab OC Thread
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"Arab"-related OC is a Lebanese, North African or Assyrian thing. The Lebanese clans in for instance Germany (or Australia) do seem to regard themselves as Arabs; the North Africans and Assyrians definitely don't. Basically every Moroccan dude I know over here postures himself as a proud Berber and wouldn't pass up on the opportunity to dismiss Arabs as being a "bunch of pansies".
To write them off as a bunch of petty drug dealers is definitely missing the mark a bit. Sure there's plenty of low level rats among them, but there's quite a few who work in the higher regions of the drug trade. Moroccans in for instance Antwerp bring in tons of dope, as do Algerians in for instance the north of Marseille. There's local protection rackets aplenty, prostitution, money laundering... Some of them have definitely moved beyond your average street punk status.
The Assyrians in Detroit had huge mob connections as well. In for instance Sodertalje in Sweden they have formed structures that more or less resemble a local mob outfit. A similar situation is in the southwest of Sydney; where the local street cliques are just farm teams up to do some of the dirty work.
As far as the Lebanese go in Berlin; I feel the Abou-Chakers (the family that has ties to the local rap industry through Bushido) is far from being the most feared or powerful. The Al Zein - Omeirat family has way more pull with branches throughout the whole of Germany as well as international connections. Drugs, extortion, weapons, organized robbery...the whole enchilada. That German series 4 Blocks kinda portrayed them as somewhat cartoonesk criminals that, despite the intimidation tactics, are opposed to murder. Far from the truth as they're definitely not shy to whack someone (the case of Zaki Al Zein for instance). Do Assyrian OC groups in Europe tend to be Christian or Muslim or does it vary ? I'm asking because ( as I'm sure you know ) the Assyrians in Detroit were notable for being Christian and I think that Ray Akrawi himself used the excuse of being Christian during his deportation trial . Also is it known what international connections the AL Zeins have ? Assyrians are almost exclusively Christian. Ray Akrawi isn't a sole example. A lot of Assyrians claimed political refugee status to get into Europe. There's some shady guys among them, that's for sure. The Al Zein's are a humongous family with tens of thousands of them in Germany and Scandinavia, but there's also some in Australia. The Lebanese clans really redefined the meaning of the term "crime family" as there's literally hundreds of people sharing the same surname involved in organized crime. I read somewhere there's also some of them that are located in South America, active in money laundering and cocaine smuggling, but I can't seem to find a link to that.
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Re: Arab OC Thread
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The St Louis "Syrian Lebanese Faction" is long defunct. Bernstein's article is a nice summary, but they weren't trying to take over all OC activities in St Louis. They were fighting for union control and to settle old beefs. Jimmy "Horseshoe" Michaels was of Syrian descent, and "head / boss" of the Syrian faction, and an "ally by treaty" with Tony Giordano, St Louis LCN boss. Michaels had agreed with Giordano to put John Paul "Sonny" Spica into a leadership position in Laborer's Local 42. Spica was later blown up in a car bomb by Ray Flynn, a St Louis Irish mobster, over union control. Michaels was blown up in by the Leisure's, who were members of Michaels crew. The Leisure's were of Lebanese descent. The remainder of the murder's described in Bernstein's article were revenge killings or to silence a witness. These events wiped out the Syrian / Lebanese faction, and brought increased law enforcement attention onto the St. Louis LCN. I have some pictures of the people and bombings. I will post them below.
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Re: Arab OC Thread
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The Lebanese groups have members of the Sunni, Christian and Mhallami communities all involved in the same criminal organizations, They also have ties to 1% clubs. What's interesting about the 1% connection is that the Bremen chapter of the Mongols MC is supposed to be composed exclusively of Miri clan members , many of whom ( allegedly ) don't even ride motorcycles . If that is true then they represent a throwback to the Ruben Cavazos era of the Mongols , which is real strange considering the lengths to which the Mongols have gone to reform the club since his ousting . I guess it's hard to sue a bunch of guys in Germany though when you happen to be based on the other side of the Atlantic though .
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