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Re: West coast commision
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Which testimony is this? In the "25 Years After Valachi" one he says: "There is a separate commission in Chicago. Chicago has control of all of the Western families, including Detroit. The Chicago commission makes and enforces the rules for those families and settles" He goes on to say it is equal to the NY commission and Tony Accardo is the head. Oddly, he makes no mention of this commission in his testimony at the NY commission trial https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=x7Ku...rdo&f=false
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Re: West coast commision
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I think that after the Kefauver hearings and Appalachian the mob was really wary of having big national meetings unless it was absolutely necessary. So the commission for families West of the Mississippi was a way of resolving disputes involving the families in that region without having to call a big meeting with the National Commission. I am sure that if any issue arising out west grew big enough the National Commission would get involved. Two of the families that were supposedly on the Western Commission, Chicago and Detroit, were also on the National Commission, so if there was a dispute that originated out west that was big enough to effect the whole country, they could bring it to the National Commission.
Certain families had particularly close relationships that in a way superseded whatever commissions were in place. Cleveland, despite being in the Midwest, was always closer with the Genovese than Chicago. St. Louis was close to Detroit and answered to them, not Chicago. Also, the Lucchese family, not Chicago, represented the LA family, at least initially as Jack Dragna was a cousin of Thomas Lucchese. As far as New Orleans and to a lesser extent Tampa, from what I have read neither family was very interested in Commission politics and were pretty much left alone to do their own thing. Whether Detroit actually answered to Chicago or was thought of as an equal I think is a really interesting question.
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Re: West coast commision
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Where did you hear about Dragna and lukes? I feel they answered to chicago... roselli was there, Fratiano went to Chicago to report. So that one.
In the early parts of Fratianno's book Dragna mentions that he is close to Luchese and reaches out to him a few times if I remember correctly. Also, by the looks of it, the Dragnas were caught with Tommy Luchese's personal phone number. http://www.nytimes.com/1952/11/22/archiv...ory-record.html
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Re: West coast commision
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09/23/17 10:33 PM
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I got to read it again, but in the book SuperMob, it states that a lot of the people that made L.A. what it is, actually came from the west side of Chicago. Like a lot of the big movie guys and stuff.
I think this is where the deep Chicago connections come from, more so than the Italian mafia, it's more about the Jewish contingent.... I think.. Doc Stacher, a Genovese associate who was really close with Zwillman, Catena, and Lansky, was a silent partner in Columbia Studios. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stacher
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Re: West coast commision
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I think your mistaken with west coast commission. It was west of the Mississippi or something. I forgot were i read basically it was the chicago bosses telling all the other small families like kansas Milwaukee maybe st louis and L.A. wat the program was. And i think everyone was fine with it cause the las vegas skim fed all them little families kc and Milwaukee and cleveland but i dont no if cleveland answerd to chicago cause theres plenty of tapes between fat tony from harlem and them but same time theres tapes of chicago guys in rhode island over the big union iforgot the name its head quarters is either in providence or chicago or back n forfh. It was Arthur Coia and LIUNA, he stole the presidency from Chicago with the backing of the Genovese and New England: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-10/03/062r-100399-idx.htmlhttp://www.laborers.org/coia_projo_7-25a-96.htmlThey sneaked in after one of the Foscos died, those families were normally friendly but business is business.
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Re: West coast commision
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@JC Yeah, the two families with a Jewish influence amongst the top ranks were basically Chicago and the Genovese. After the Feds declared war on the Outfit (the Outfit, particularly guys like Giancana and Marcello, who made an enemy of Bobby Kennedy got it REALLY bad...) the genovese kind of picked up the pieces...
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You are right, Cleveland to my knowledge had points in the Vegas skim, but their vote on the commission went through the Genovese.
I was always fascinated by the politics there. The Jewish associates for the Outfit, the Genovese and Cleveland (Dalitz and company) are why they were in on so many big things so early on, a lot of people forget that the Jewish guys were really the first ones in on Hollywood and Las Vegas.
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Re: West coast commision
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Another thing on Luchesse, powerful as he was, he wasn't boss until Gagliano died in 1951.
I don't think he would have had the authority to give Bugsy orders while he was out west at the behest of Luciano, Lansky and the Chicago guys. ( and really, even to these heavyweights, Bugsy was still virtually uncontrollable..) Remember this in the what, late thirties, early forties?
But there were Jewish connections there with Lepke, and other narcotics wholesalers. I just don't think it had anything to do with LA. Luchesse biggest union was the Garment Center right? And later the airport unions in NY?
The way I always understood it, the Luchesses were the second biggest in unions in NY after the Genovese, but these were LOCAL unions, not like the Teamsters, the national ones. Those were split between NY and Chicago....
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Re: West coast commision
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West coast families were San Francisco and San Jose, both now defunct, and Los Angeles, which only has a few remaining members who are either retired or answer to New York. Dallas boss Joseph Civello was Carlos Marcello's guy (New Orleans). Dallas and Gavelston have a deep organized crime history, through Benny Binion and the Maceo family. I started a thread on the Dallas family about a year ago where Giacomo and others provided great information. http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=923565
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: West coast commision
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West coast families were San Francisco and San Jose, both now defunct, and Los Angeles, which only has a few remaining members who are either retired or answer to New York. Dallas boss Joseph Civello was Carlos Marcello's guy (New Orleans). Dallas and Gavelston have a deep organized crime history, through Benny Binion and the Maceo family. I started a thread on the Dallas family about a year ago where Giacomo and others provided great information. http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=923565Thanks will be reading this!!
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